Hey Gav, Thanks for answering my questions. I agree we should break up the incestuous relationship of big government and big corporations. It violates the free market. But I don't think every question should be put to a public vote. That way lies a mobocracy. Also, there's more to private property than land. And, I don't thinking leasing land (from whom?) in perpetuity is good idea. Not only does it create a static situation but also limits personal freedom.
But, if you can sell your ideas to enough people, maybe they will come to pass. I'm assuming you don't want to force them anyone at the point of a gun. Best, Platt On 21 Feb 2010 at 18:00, gav wrote: > hi again, > > > > > > > democracy is a great idea. america (or australia) > > doesn't have it - at all. > > > > How so? > > you and i do not participate in the decision making process, at all. pepsi or > coke is not a choice. > > > > > > > trial by jury....great idea for a criminalised > > existence. how about lore over law? > > > > So you favor anarchy? > > i favour fair and stable societies, where the rule of law is gradually > replaced by the function of lore - the activation, through myth and ritual, > of the moral energies within every individual. > > in the meantime a condensation and simplification of law is required. > permaculture provides this with its ethical principles: > 1. care of the planet > 2. care of the people > 3. share surplus resources equitably > > any contravention of these principles becomes illegal. i don't think i need > to explain how radical a shift this would be, as the biggest industries on > the planet are the most deleterious to humanity and the ecosystem (eg > weapons, mining, pharmaceuticals, plastics) > > > > > > > freedom of speech? - to say what where? the media is > > owned by billionaires > > > > You can say what you want. That doesn't mean society owes > > you a > > microphone. > > you can talk to yourself too: doesn't get you very far > again when there is zero actual participation in the decision making process > this freedom becomes hollow. > > > > > > freedom of the press? ha! - read manufacturing consent > > by chomsky > > > > Chomsky? Thanks for the laugh. > > not a great criticism there platt > > > > freedom of assembly? - except if you constitute a > > threat to national security - ie arbitrarily withdrawable > > > > Not arbitrary. In the U.S. you need a court order. > > not anymore as i understand it. > > > > > > freedom of travel? - less than what is it 5% of > > americans travel o/s, so what's the point - insularity > > rules. freedom to travel the well worn tourist trail is not > > really travel anyway. if you do take to the open rod you > > will pretty quickly run into trouble - police or otherwise. > > > > The point is you are free to travel if you want to. > > Doesn't mean you > > have to. > > sure. > > > > limited government - any government is illegitimate. > > > > Ah yes, an anarchist. > > no, a democrat. although you could say that they are the very similar ideas. > you see platt i don't believe representative democracy is democracy at all. > it is an oligarchical model if anything, and of course the political and > corporate are so incestuously allied - well its no wonder so many retards are > spawned to perpetuate the ongoing devolution of mankind. > > > > > > private property - is a crime against the planet. > > perpetual leases would be a better idea. > > > > Leases from whom? > > rather than buying and selling land you can take your existing property out > of the capitalist cycle. this is an interim measure. these leases have > already been issued in oz. the idea is that the occupant is a custodian of > the land, free to live and care for it for generation upon generation, but > unable to clear it or sell it - takes land out of the marketplace and helps > renew man's kinship with the soil. > > all the best mate > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
