Mati, What you and Bo fail to grasp is that SOM is the dominate intellectual pattern of the west, Mostly due to it riding on the coattails of brutal Imperialistic regimes and being adopted into their religion. The fact of the matter is that it has inherent philosophical problems in it causing a crisis in western culture today no matter how it came to be dominate.
That is how Pirsig addresses it. As the dominate intellectual pattern. Half the problems and the crisis that is formed is by assuming that it is the lone absolute intellectual pattern. Why propagate that notion if it is one of the problems? You Bo and others simply make the case for it's dominance in western perception so much so that you feel it necessary to keep it dominant and re-assert it as absolute. Of course it's going to seem like common sense to us, it's all we ever been taught, it's supported in almost every aspect of our culture. With that in mind, Pirsig states that for the MoQ intellectual level to have the most meaning in addressing our cultures crisis it makes sense to attack it as common people in western culture refer to it. But no, you have to take that contextual reference as a ringing endorsement for the absolute universal status of SOM as intellect like the culturally chauvenistic drones MoQ struggles against. I mean what the hell? isn't the first huge realization that SOM is merely an invention? That we are hypnotized by our culture to believe that it is absolute? A set of intellectual glasses our culture hands us? OUR culture, western culture. Or did you miss that part? I think Khoo's post explains the situation rather well, I would add that there is no competing "meta-physics" mostly because our culture destroyed it in its Imperial conquests. -Ron ----- Original Message ---- From: KAYE PALM-LEIS <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 11:52:10 PM Subject: Re: [MD] A fly in the MOQ ointment Horse, > But the main point is to point out to others on the list - especially those > new to the list - that Bo's little project is not endorsed or supported by > Pirsig - even though Bo keeps hinting and implying that it is. > > Cheers > > Horse If there was one criticism of Bo approach which I agree on it is Pirsig ain't presently buying into what Bo is proposing, then again he hasn't endorsed much on the idea of intellect that has pushed this discussion ahead. Pirsig is the only one that can speak directly to that. That being said so much of Pirsig work in both ZMM and Lila in my understanding gives a credence to what Bo is arguing, that path of intellect as a static pattern is the path forged by the S/O divide. No other Metaphysical consideration can match it. I have repeatedly asked for a metaphysical premise that historically match what s/o divide has done. If this is one I would have suspect it would have been thrown on the table by now. Heck if there was, I couldn't understand why Pirisg wouldn't have eluded to it by now. The fact is the only metaphysical paradigm that Pirsig addresses in both ZMM and Lila is SOM. I know that some believe that by accepting this premise that it dismisses much of the Eastern philosophies that seems valued by so many. Yes Eastern philosophies have an intellectual capacity, but they are not static intellect pattern that delivered use from the social level. It may be an issue of semantics, but I clearly see what Bo has said for years and humbly endorse it until I can understand otherwise. The way I see it is that Eastern thought has it's contribution but not as as the static latch that s/o divide offered in terms of intellect. Historically and philosophically speaking I can't see it and I have tried, believe me I have tried. Respectfully, Mati Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
