John (rudely and childishly) said to dmb:

...That's the attitude I'm talking about, but Kuklick's secular friends, and 
evidently you too Dave, just can't get over anything that smacks of theism and 
so the subject is closed. ..This closed-mindedness is what I find 
objectionable.  The issue of God is a non-issue to me.  I don't care what you 
choose to believe or what I choose to believe.  It can change any moment 
anyway.  But I do appreciate those who can analyze intellectually without 
letting their prejudice get in the way. Who are able to read omnivorously and 
take what is good without prejudice.


dmb says:

Well, apparently the definition of "prejudice" and "closed-mindedness" has been 
changed to mean "perspectives John doesn't like". 

May I remind you that I've been paying tuition for the last several years. In 
return they make me learn new things, unsettling, deep things. And then they 
test my ability to conduct a critical analysis in various ways. Religion is one 
of the things I'm most interested in, actually. It was the main topic in a 
third of my courses and it'll play a central role in my thesis I'v just 
started, so I'm still learning more about even as we speak.

Just because I have an opinion doesn't mean the subject is closed. Like 
everybody else, my views on this topic are shaped by a lifetime of experience 
and, like a lot of people, they're also shaped by my interest in it and the 
deliberate effort to find out about it. Unless you're a kid, which I'm not, all 
that adds up to a pretty massive thing that's not going to flip over at a 
touch. It's not really even a matter of whether or not I'm WILLING to consider 
theism as a serious option. All I can do is be open to those ideas on the topic 
that makes sense, given my present understanding.

But nobody is so open-minded that they'll switch their whole worldview just 
because some guy on the internet doesn't like it. It takes serious drugs to do 
that.







                                          
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