Hello John, How would you break this down to address: the experiencer, the experience and the experienced?
Marsha On Mar 19, 2010, at 11:41 AM, John Carl wrote: > The hot stove method of truth transferal is probably the oldest and most > common experience in human history. It goes like this, the infant wanders > near the hot stove and its mother warns it "Don't go near the stove, Johnny, > you'll get burned". > > Almost inevitably though, Johhny, out of accident or curiousity touches the > hot stove and mother goes "see? I told you so." > > Even though mothers are being protective in this situation, you can hear a > little satisfaction in their tones of comfort. Sometimes laughter hidden in > their words - their warnings and admonitions have been empirically proven, > Their truth, transferred. I've seen the drama enacted enough times to > understand the pattern, and if mommy was really concerned with preventing > the hot stove reaction, there'd be some kind of fence around the stove. > > In some homes, there are such fences, > > Those kids grow up rebellious usually. > > Other homes, nothing is said at all about the danger of the stove and the > child is left to its own stumbling explorations to figure out > which parts of reality is hot, which is not. > > Those kids grow up cautious. > > Other houses, kids are whipped for touching hot stoves. > > Those kids grow up self-hating, self-destructive and prone to > self-mutilation. > > And in every single case, any hot stove experience in the future is going to > be interpreted in the light of past experience, and the personality > development that's occurred so far. Every hot stove experience is unique, > because every person experiencing the stove is unique, with a predisposed, > preprogrammed reaction and interpretation of the experience. The bare > empirical facts of metal and flesh can be identical, but the experience is > not of empirical facts. The experience is of empirical facts being > interpreted by a unique individual, every time generating a unique > experience. There is nothing pure or immediate to any of this. It's all a > vastly complicated interpretive dance, dependent upon so many factors that > are impossible to isolate but one thing is certain beyond argument - without > an experiencer, there is no experience, > > And without a social process of experiencer creation, there is no > experiencer. > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
