Arlo said:
....but I find very problematic the notion that patterns were arranged by some
external agent's bidding, rather than their own volitional responses to Dynamic
Quality. In this sense, nothing responds to DQ, things are merely moved around
like pieces on a chessboard by DQ's hand. We are, then, simply pawns in a
supermarionation program orchestrated by an external "force", rather than
agenic patterns able to respond to Dynamic Quality. In other words, patterns
are not "built", they emerge from the activity of Quality responses of the
pattern to its environment.
dmb says:
Right. I think the MOQ takes a third position where the battle is usually
between mechanistic evolution and purposeful design. Sometimes they try to mix
the two, like Marsha's system philosopher, who's basically saying evolution was
created by God.
I like the picture Pirsig paints and recently discovered that James was
thinking along the same lines. Growth, rather than manufacture, is the basic
theme. It's a way of saying that the whole universe is alive and aware on some
level or other. And so the course of evolution is driven from within. The
creationists think there has to be a designer because they see a certain
intelligence at work, a rightness that isn't easily explained as the effect of
mechanistic laws or random mutations. The scientific materialists think there
can not be an intelligent designer because no such creator would have allowed
something as evil and vile and despicable as a creationist. The MOQ, on the
issue of evolution anyway, is more like a weak form of panpsychism or
panexperientialism.
Uh oh, a lot of people will probably have to look up those last two words. So
sorry if I almost made you learn something, Platt. I know how much you hate
that. They just mean the belief that reality is "all-mind" and
"all-experience", respectively.
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