Mary, Joe, All
On 18 Apr.
Mary had written:
> > What is consciousness? Is it self-awareness? If so, that would
> > imply ego. So, one could say that any entity that achieves the
> > concept of ego is self-aware and thus conscious. No? At various
> > times in my life I've been given a paycheck to be a programmer.
> > Now all of those jobs are being off-shored to India or China, but
> > that is beside the point. Does anyone have an "ego object" in
> > their Java toolkit (my preferred language since it has automatic
> > garbage collection, and is also platform independent in its own
> > little JVM)?
> > Is it open-source? Can I download it somewhere? We programmers
> > really hate reinventing the wheel, you know.
First about "consciousness" in the self-awareness sense is part of
intellect-as-SOM's self-assured repertoire, indicating a god's-eye view,
the ultimate knowledge.
Then there is the physiological "conscious/unconscious" dichotomy,
related to "awake/asleep", and here is an observation that I have
forwarded many times without any reaction. All creatures sleep so
when - say - a fish wakes up it must be to a state different from
oblivion, IMO to the biological consciousness. An then there is a
consciousness connected with all static levels, crowned by the Quality
Consciousness
This is inconsistent with intellect-as-SOM's "consciousness" which is
demonstrated by most people's attitude to the A.I. issue, of machines
suddenly waking up ("Hey I'm a computer") to THE one and only
consciousness.
Joe responded:
> Imho it¹s a pile. DQ/SQ a description of evolution suggested by
> Pirsig to describe a metaphysics of the undefined/defined logic.
> The defined for me is best described in a hierarchy in existence
> called evolution:
> 1. Inorganic,
> 2. Organic life 1: reproduction by cell-splitting,
> 3. Organic life 2: reproduction by penetration of the egg-call wall
> by a sperm-cell
> The undefined for me is best described as a hierarchy in existence
> of a further evolution of undefined consciousness (self-awareness).
> 4. DQ Consciousness evolves to an emotional/social level DQ only. 5.
> DQ Consciousness evolves to an intellectual level DQ/SQ. 6. DQ
> Consciousness evolves to a higher-emotional level, DQ only. 7. DQ
> Consciousness evolves to a higher-intellectual level, DQ only. (The
> last two levels are the high country of Heroes.) Esoteric literature
> is the basis of this schema for evolution.
Joe, you are priceless;-) A Mr Dick of "David Copperfield" if you know
it? Anyway "consciousness" may (also) be seen as one of many
unassimilated concepts - besides Quality - that may have been the
base for a new anti-SOM metaphysics, more like what I sketch above
with each level a "consciousness level". However, as it just would be
a MOQ replica it's too late. Quality is the mother of them all.
Bodvar
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