Group, Here is a longer but interesting excerpt from Romano Guardini's, "The End of the Modern World. I think, taken with the last quote of Moscati, it outlines fundamental differences in the Christian world as related to the ancient and classical worlds.
It deals here with the issue of transcendence in Christianity as opposed to the so called transcendence of the ancient world. I know this is long, but please read it carefully if you want ot see a fundamental difference between Christian and Classical theology, and the philosophy and culture that flowed from them. This is relevant to moq as Pirsig traces it back to Greece, and he is right. But many things he attributes to Greek thought actually came from Christianity. I hope some of you at least, enjoy this piece. Be glad to hear your thoughts. thanks, Jon THE SENSE OF BEING AND THE WORLD PICTURE OF THE MIDDLE AGES If we are to recapture that vision of the world which medieval man made his own, we must begin with what the Middle Ages had in common with classical antiquity. In neither period can we find the conception which is so familiar to us of an unending space-time relationship. Within this structure, both ages saw the world and, more significantly, felt it to be a limited frame, a ball or sphere. However, there were marked differences between the classical and the medieval views. Classical man never went beyond his world; his feeling for life, his imagination and his vision of existence were one with the limited world he knew. He never asked himself whether or not something might exist beyond his known world. His attitude was born of an unintentional humility, shy of crossing well-marked boundaries, and of a will which was rooted deeply in the classical ethos and kept him within the limits of accepted things. Primarily, classical man felt as he did because he lacked any relation which could transcend his world; such a relation would have been indispensable before he could have experienced any desire to see beyond his universe. To the man of the ancient world, however, the universe itself was the whole of reality. What could classical man have used then as his springboard into transcendence? One might answer: the experience of a Divine Being Who transcended the whole of the limited cosmos, Whose existence and very reality would alter the world outlook of anyone who believed in Him. But classical man never knew such a Being. >From his religious convictions he knew a highest "father of the gods and men," but this father belonged to his own world just as did the vaults of heaven; in truth he was their very spirit. Classical man knew the power of a Fate which commanded his world; he knew of a governing justice and of a reasonable order for all things. These forces, all powerful though they were, did not stand beyond the world but formed within it its ultimate order. When he played the role of philosopher the man of classical antiquity tried to conceive of a divine absolute stripped of all imperfection, but even this attempt did not transcend the universe. What is most revealing is the fact that classical man had no desire to transcend his world. Speaking most accurately must say that classical man could not even conceive of a desire to break the limits of his world. Even to do so those limits must have already been broken. This was simply not the case. Even the pure being of Parmenides, which looks as though it were separated from the concrete world, was itself a principle to which the multiplicity of experience turned as to its ultimate source. The Parmenidean being was a defense against that power so deeply oppressive to the man of Greece, the power of dissolution and corruption. The Good discovered by Plato as the ultimate reality beyond his ideas was not severed from the world; it remained immanent to it as its very eternity, as a "beyond" within the final whole. The Unmoved Mover of Aristotle, itself immobile, brought about all the change in the world. In the final analysis it only had meaning when related to the whole of the eternally changing universe itself. The One of Plotinus, supreme classical effort to surmount the world of things and men, still stood at the head of an unbroken series with it. The Plotinean One was the spring from which the many flowed by necessity, just as it was the end to which all things returned through purification and love. Classical man knew nothing of a being existing beyond the world; as result he was neither able to view nor to shape his world from a vantage point which transcended it. With his feelings and his imagination, in his actions and all his endeavors, he lived within his cosmos. Every project that he undertook, even when he dared to go to the farthest bounds, ran its course within the arc of his world. One might object that in order to conceive of theuniverse as a limited whole, the universe must already have been grasped as limited. Such an intuition, so goes the argument, would have had to presuppose the defining boundaries of its world. This does not, however, hold true for the experience of classical man as far as I can see. His vision resulted from a mental act which set limits to his being, which fended off the chaotic and the indefinite and which renounced every excess. It also developed from a sense of harmony in which existence was perceived as a beautifully ordered cosmos. Consequently classical man did not attempt the comprehension which was so characteristic of medieval. man. The world comprehended as a whole within which each individual was assigned a necessary place. The world for classical man remained open and problematic. This truth is seen most clearly in classical man's religious intuitions and attitudes. He experienced his world itself as divine, divine in the principle which was its inner source and divine in the order and fate which had laid out its roadway. Yet origin, order and fate were themselves part of that world. His world was the All; it was one with existence itself. The world, reality in its fullness, encompassed not merely the empirical and the historical; above all it encompassed the spiritual. The Divine was identified with the primordial, with a mystery which was one with his world. Man was in the universe, but in turn the universe was in him. The experience and affirmation of this truth were the foundations of classical religion. The multitude of forms and forces within the world manifested the divine, and mythology was born as classical man experienced them. His myths in form and incident symbolized for him the complexity of the universe and of the life of man therein. Because of his own spiritual nature classical man confronted this universe as well as belonging to it. Through his myths classical man found his place in existence. Myth established the unity not of a rational system but of life itself. Forever in flux, the myths constantly assumed new forms as they grew-in the very manner of a living organism-and replaced or melted into one another. In time these mythological foundations were cut off from classical religious sentiment, as the latter allied itself with the aims of philosophy and ethics. Classical religion still retained the liberal character of its roots, however, changing freely with its particular intellectual affinity. Parmenides, Socrates, Empedocles, the Pythagoreans, Plato, Aristotle, the Stoics, the Plotinians-each thinker, every school-expressed a fresh religious conviction, but always one which was open to new departures. With every new door tried by the spirit of philosophy, the spirit of religion seemed to open onto ever-expanding vistas. This flexibility and absence of dogmatism also marked Greek scientific thought. The Greek mind was gripped by an endless quest for understanding of the ways of the world. Nothing, however, had been decided conclusively; every question remained open, waiting to be answered further. Every philosophical reflection might contain the answer to life; therefore it could compete with any other possible supposition. Always, however, one had to remain within the limits laid down by the fundamental ethos of the Greek world. These limits could not be transgressed, and the trials of Anaxagoras and of Socrates attest to the strength of this prohibition. Thus the Greek searched and hunted for the truth; he experimented with all hypotheses. At the end of his epoch, he had gathered up not only a full body of knowledge but also a typology for every possible position and conclusion in philosophy. This same cast of mind penetrated Greek social and political life. The several city states of Greece gave birth to a variety of political forms, each state developing independently of its neighbors and according to those geographical conditions and traditional assumptions which were proper to itself. Political ambition within and conflict among the many states was taken as the normal condition of historic life. Thus the individual was absorbed by his particular community. The increasing rivalries among the city states furthered the growth of independent political forms, each of which was rooted deeply in an historic spirit of that people. This profuse flowering of political life, however, swiftly burned itself out in internecine struggles. An attempt to unify the Hellenic peoples into a single political state could not succeed because the Greek in the depths of his soul did not want a unified polity, not even when unity offered the only promise of continued historic existence. The Greeks chose to rend themselves asunder in senseless wars until the half barbaric Macedonians forced upon them an artificial kind of unity which violated their unique way of life. Such political blindness points up an essential weakness in the Greek ethos which is often overlooked by its admirers. We could multiply the instances from the Greek world in which this picture returns again and again. It was a world built by men who rooted themselves in being as they knew it, by men who had a primitive yet never faltering intuition into the things that are; it was the result of a fruitful as well as a dangerous liberality in the conduct of private and social life. We might be tempted to speak of one ancient effort which violated the spirit of Greek liberalism and which attempted to organize all life into a unified whole: the Roman State. It is certain that Rome did attempt to build the orbis terrarzcnt. The Roman spirit was realistic and suspicious of the theoretical, hostile to the metaphysical. Despite all its harshness when confronted with the exigencies of political existence, however, it looked upon life itself with an extreme liberality. The spirit of tolerance found in the classic Greek world was not abolished by the Roman Empire. The Middle Ages transformed radically man's sense of existence and his vision of the world. Medieval man centered his faith in Revelation as it had been enshrined in scripture; in that Revelation which affirmed the existence o a God Who holds His Being separate and beyond the world. Since He creates and sustains all things in being and fills them with His Presence God is in His world, but He does not belong to the world because He is its Sovereign. The independence of God is fixed in the absoluteness of His Being and in the purity of His Personality. An irreducibly personal God can never be merged with any universe; He exists solely in Himself, Lord of His Being Loving the world He depends m no sense upon it. The mythical deities of classical antiquity , however, had to stand or fall with their worldly kingdoms. The absolute "essences of ancient philosophy were enmeshed forever within the totality of being to which they gave stability and eternity. But the Christian God needs no world in order that He might be; subsisting alone He is sufficient unto Himself. The doctrine of creation most decisively reveals the power of God, the Infinite Sovereign. The world was created out of nothing by the freedom of the Almighty Whose commanding Word gives to all things being and nature; of itself that world lacks any trace of internal necessity or external possibility. This created universe is found only in the Bible. Elsewhere the origin of the universe was always thought to have been mythical; either some formless chaos had evolved into the world or some divine power had fashioned it from an equally formless chaos. The Revelation of Scripture contradicted all such myth: the world is created by a God Who does not have to create in order that He might be, nor does He need the elements of the world in order that He might create. Christian Faith meant trust in and obedience to God's Revelation to man. It also meant that man must confront and answer His Call, which alone gives meaning to finite personality. Finally, it meant that man must turn towards the Lord as towards his final end. In this Faith the world was born afresh, but it was born neither of mythology nor of philosophy. The mythical bonds which had chained man to the universe were destroyed. A new freedom dawned in history for the human spirit. Sundered now from the world, man was able for the first time to face all things from a new plane, from a vantage point which depended neither upon intellectual superiority nor cultural attainment. Thereupon was wrought a transfiguration of being utterly impossible for the old pagan world. Nothing akin to the medieval drive can be found in the first centuries of the Faith, when the classical sense of limitation still retained its hold on Christian man. Although he experienced transcendence, he experienced it only as an inner freedom from the world and as a personal responsibility for his own life, a responsibility transcending the demands and service of society. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
