Hey all,

Dooyeweerd explains this the best way I've heard how 15 different levels,
all the modal aspects including the numerical, spatial, movement, energy
(physico-chemical), biotic, feeling or sensation, logical, historical,
symbolic, social, economic, aesthetic (quality), juridicial, moral, and
faith aspects or levels interact.

From an introduction to the Twilight of Western Thought:
http://ittowt.blogsome.com/

"The idea that thought can be religiously neutral has been elevated to a
condition of philosophy.

This idea philosophical that thought can be autonomous faces a number of
problems.

 There is no common foundation; the presuppositions of Greek, Thomistic and
modern secularised thought are different. There is no common basis for
different philosophical trends.


 Different philosophical trends usually end up arguing at cross-purposes.
They are unable to find a way to penetrate to the level of their
starting-points. This suggests that the starting points determine the
meaning given to this autonomy of thought.

These problems suggest that the dogma of the autonomy of thought needs to be
critically investigated.

Dooyeweerd then suggests the need to look at the nature of theoretical
thought itself. Is this autonomy required by its inner nature? To answer
this question requires a transcendental criticism in which the conditions
that make theoretical thought possible are sought."



On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Fam. Kintziger-Karaca <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Is the mathematics without components and dependancies?  And if the
> particle is dependent on the mathematics, then it does not have
> independent existence, does it? Marsha.
>
>
> Marsha ,Dependancies.
>
> They do not depend on the mathematical model, they behave, as we observe
> them,
> according to the model, and as predicted.
>
> The partikels , atoms, muons, neutrinos, they all exists since the
> beginning of the universe.
>
> As long as they remain in the outer universe , they are independant , and
> they exist.
>
> To feed the mathematical models , we recreate them , on earth, setting out
> the possible parameters
> to make their existence possible.prediction, mathematical model, triggering
> the event , observe.
>
> This does not reset the values of the partikels , the behavior in any way.
>
> Try this for an example,
>
> sea ,sand, water -waves, this set will only exist as it is complete , take
> away the sand, beach, water,
> it will be impossible to create a wave, you need the complete set-up.
> Now reconcider the model as this , ..
> bring it to the moon,the sea, sand water ,-waves, and you can see me
> coming, the gravity on the moon
> is about 1/6 part of earth's gravity. Now will the wave behave
> differentwise than the earthshaped wave?
>
> Yes it will, it will still be a wave, but for the prediction in its
> behavior we need a new model,
> It needs to incorporate the new setting.But it will still be a wave.
>
> Concider this , take a fresh beer out of the refrigirator, and drink it.
> Do it again, but now allow it exposure to the sun, for two hours, then
> drink it.
>
> We did not change anyting on the atoms , or molecules , they remain the
> same, it is beer.
>
> Will it taste different?
>
> Now bring the beer to the moon,.......same beer, ...
>
> Regards , Adrie
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