Greetzz, listers. [Adrie] Do cells contain intellect? Probably they do , for some reasons. Even the most simple cell performs his qualities in combination with the other cells, the cluster of cells contains the value. The cluster of cells, make a human, a horse , or a fish, or a flower, whatever..
[Arlo] How do you see this as evidence of the cell's "intellect"? What characteristics of "intellect" do you see at play here? [Adrie] The Mitochondrial dna in every cell, contains all the blueprints of life, for any individual flower, fisch, human. [Arlo] Are you saying that "Mitochondrial DNA" also "has intellect"? What about its components? Does,say, "Cytochrome b" also "have intellect"? What about further down? Do carbon atoms "have intellect"? [Adrie] Even the most simple cell managed to transpond his dna by inheritance towards further generations. [Arlo] Again, what characteristic of "intellect" do you see evidenced here? [Adrie] Does this contain "intellect"? value? quality? [Arlo] Well, I think the patterns you point to demonstrate value, for sure. And further I think we can say this is evidence of the response of the pattern to its environment (enacting value preference). It seems to me you are conflating this ability to respond to Quality with "intelligence". Would this then demonstrate that carbon atoms "had intelligence" when they combined to form, say, "Cytochrome b"? "We should take care, not to make the intellect our god,... it has of course , powerfull muscles, but no personality.." (Albert Einstein). This was my statement, and only this ;.. Do cells contain intellect? Probably they do , for some reasons. Even the most simple cell performs his qualities in combination with the other cells, the cluster of cells contains the value. The cluster of cells, make a human, a horse , or a fish, or a flower, whatever.. The Mitochondrial dna in every cell, contains all the blueprints of life, for any individual flower, fisch, human. It contains the cradle of life , even for a virus, that is keeping the middle between plant and animal. This appearance is both value and quality united. Even the most simple cell managed to transpond his dna by inheritance towards further generations. The ability to transpond the mechanism of" inheritance" This inheritance instructionset allows life to evolve in time(quality/value). All of this , ..maintained life until today, allowing "intellect" to higher levels, supporting this intellect to evolve in time. This went on for millions of years, under varios conditions, deserts, sea's, land, cold, heat , etc... Extreme complexity, ...but hidden or badly formulated. Does this contain "intellect"? value? quality? I think this is valid as statement,..... the clustered intellect, in this abilities , is different from zero. Regards, Adrie , short of time. Adrie, repeating himself now,............the clustered intellect,in this abilities , is different from zero. I made an example merely to express my thinkingthread. Line of remarks. Quote Arlo ."And further I think we can say this is evidence of the response of the pattern to its environment (enacting value preference)." Adrie I did not deny this , i did not excluse it from the model, it remains valid in the model. It was clustered -in towards the model. My example and the statement is shredded , cutted/copyd en pasted , stripping it down away from the contextual line. Selective typing to abstract can make a point clear, or deviate it from its context... But abstractions need to be allowed, and so is selective typing, or the use of selective cut/copy/paste imports stripping the contextual line. In overview? it is no abstraction, .. Its reverse-engineering, and as an example i used the same modus operandi, only for this time of course. Reverse-engineering as a model in a discussion? (Adrie) , parroting himself now,..indefinetly, "we schould take care , not to make the intellect our god,.... It has , of course , powerfull muscles, but no personality..." (Albert Einstein) Kind regards, Adrie. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
