oh. never mind. Dang I should read more thoroughly before just popping off any old answer. (to Adrie, previous to this)
Oh well. I'm a blurter. what can I say. good riddance, btw. hated the bastard. ignore everything I said. He won't be missed. John On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Bennett Jon <[email protected]> wrote: > Horse, > > I did not realize that you were the list owner-manager. In that case you > are > right, it is your room and you have the right to set the rules. > > It explains a lot to me about the general atmosphere, de(mean)or, and > comportment of the list now that I see who is in charge. > > I think there are many open minded, thoughtful, intelligent and well read > members on the list, that I could have benefited from knowing and > corresponding with. > > However, my chief point about the relationship of Christianity to freedom > vs. moq and freedom has been demonstrated very eloquently by your words and > the heart attitude they convey. And this is especially ironic since moq > claims freedom to be its ultimate principle and driving force. And yes, I > have known the deceitfulness,naivety and disingenuousness of that claim all > along. > > So I will immediately cancel my subscription to the list. For this list > does > not welcome all views or encourage, or even allow, freedom of thought and > speech. > > You are right that you have the right to determine the what is said or what > is allowed in your room. > > Any of you that care to have further correspondence with me are welcomed in > my room at: http://www.thelovingorganization.com/crisis/ > > Or you may contact me at my personal email at [email protected] > > I include you too Horse in the invitation to my room. > > All the best to you all, > Jon > > > > > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Right, let's get this crap over with now so I can get on with something > > more interesting. > > > > > > On 02/05/2010 00:45, Bennett Jon wrote: > > > >> Why don't you respond to my statements about moq or Pirsig, of which I > >> have > >> made many, instead of lecturing me, analyzing me, or talking down with a > >> self-righteous attitude. Perhaps this shift in your personal paradigm > >> might > >> give you a clue of what I'm saying and why it is relevant. > >> > >> I have the right and ability to define for myself how to participate in > >> this > >> list, thank you very much. > >> > >> > > > > As the owner and administrator of this mailing list I do have a say in > how > > you participate in these discussions, whether you like it or not - > > especially as I have received complaints both on and off list about you > and > > your participation. That's my job here and I will do it in the way that I > > feel is best. You don't have any say in how I do that. > > > > From your first appearance on this list you've appeared slightly suspect > to > > me. Your mis-spelling of Pirsigs name along with your initial post set > off > > alarm bells. Then this: > > > > "But I find most of his solutions in the moq simple, naive and sometimes > > just plain flaky. I don't see a great deal of originality either." > > > > and > > > > "[Pirsig] presents these issues in a readable way and has drawn many into > > the discussion. And he does have some good philosophical insights too. > But > > largely, I find his solutions hopelessly naive and childish." > > > > and > > > > "To be honest, its Lila, I haven't absorbed, or even finished. But I've > > read some sheer nonsense in both books. Case in point, a mystic dynamic > > quality person gets off a hot stove faster than a scientifically inclined > > static based person." > > > > and > > > > "But he is a dilettante, or rank amateur, when it comes to philosophy." > > > > and other such crap in various of your posts coupled with your constant > > manipulation of discussions to promote your own religious/theistic point > of > > view convinced me that you have fuck all interest in either the MoQ or > what > > Pirsig has to say. Your purpose in joining this list is to promote your > own > > theistic ideology which is at odds with the MoQ. Every discussion you > have > > been involved in so far has been twisted towards your particular brand of > > theism, showing that this, and not the MoQ, is what you will be > discussing. > > If this is how you intend to define your participation in the discussions > > you won't be around for too long. > > I'm sure you'll bring up how others participate on the forum in terms of > > their relevance to the MoQ and can say now that virtually every member > > currently participating on the list has shown, to me at least, that they > are > > primarily here to discuss Pirsig's work. With you it is the other way > around > > - you are casting the MoQ and Pirsig and his work in general as inferior > to > > your theistic dogma and promoting this on a list which is meant for a > > particular area of discussion - i.e. the MoQ. > > I doubt very much you and those you share your ideas with would be > > particularly tolerant of the presence of someone (me for instance) who > > walked into one your discussion sessions, declared that I couldn't be > arsed > > to absorb read the major part of your religious texts, that 'Jesis' is > an > > unoriginal naive twat with flaky ideas but maybe had a few good ideas and > a > > bit of a charming way with the odd word or two, dissed you all as a cult > and > > insisted that any conversations from now on were to be on my terms and in > > ways that I wish to see them phrased. And yet this is almost exactly how > you > > have conducted yourself so far. > > So, a message to you. > > Either sort yourself out and spend a bit less time promoting your own > > theistic dogma, stop twisting every conversation around to God and the > > wonders of the Christian point of view and generally try and behave as > you > > would have others behave who come into your world and wished to > communicate > > with you and your theistic circle of friends. Either that or, to misquote > > your precious holy tract, go forth and multiply. Because if you don't do > one > > or the other then you will soon be history on this list anyway. > > > > My house, my rules and if you don't like what I've had to say then tough. > > > > Horse > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > — Frank Zappa > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
