John said:
More troublesome is the statement "it is evil to put the higher levels in the 
service of a lower one". Is it really evil for a man to engage intellectually 
so that he can land a good academic position and feed his wife and kids? 
Because if so, you've got some explaining to do to Qualigod, as Arlo names him. 
And if not, then what do you really mean?



dmb says:

It just means that it's sleazy to be a sell-out. If you do academic or 
scientific work and get paid for it there is nothing wrong with that. But if 
the paycheck is given priority so that you twist your ideas around to keep from 
getting fired, then you're selling out. If there are scientific findings that 
tell us certain kinds of economic activity pose a danger, say the fossil fuel 
business and climate change, and you hide those findings in order to protect 
the financial interests that are posing that danger, then you've put cash over 
truth, not to mention putting people at risk for the sake of a buck.

Pirsig uses "The Graduate" as an example of what it means to sell out. 
"Plastics!", says some middle-aged square to the young graduate, played by 
Dustin Hoffman. What should he do with his fancy degree in science? Should he 
find a position where he can do pure research? Nah, the square tells him, he 
should go into plastics because that's where the money is. It's a form of 
prostitution. Might as well sell your love to the highest bidder. If one really 
has to do such a thing in order to survive, then it's better than dying. But 
whoring yourself sure ain't nothin' to be proud of. 

In his undergraduate days Phaedrus had given very short shrift because of the 
title of one of his books: THE VARIETIES OF RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE. James was 
supposed to be a scientist, but what kind of scientist would pick a title like 
that? With what instrument was James going to measure these varieties of 
religious experience? How would he empirically verify his data?  It smelled 
more like some Victorian religious propagandist trying to smuggle God into the 
laboratory data. They used to try to do that to try to counteract Darwin. 
Phaedrus had read early nineteenth century chemistry texts telling how the 
exact combination of hydrogen and oxygen to produce water told of the wonderous 
workings of the mind of God. This looked like more of the same.   However, in 
his rereading of James, he had so far found three things that were beginning to 
dissolve his early prejudice.  ..The second was a reference to James' dislike 
of the dichotomy of the universe into subjects and objects. That
 , of course, put him automatically on the side of Phaedrus' angels." (Lila, p. 
325)

"He wanted particularly to see how much actual evidence there was for the 
statement that James' whole purpose was to 'unite science and religion.' That 
claim had turned him against James years ago, and he didn't like it any better 
now. When you start our with an axe like that to grind, it's almost guaranteed 
that you will conclude with something false. The statement seemed more like 
some philosophological simplification written by someone with a weak 
understanding of what philosophy is for. To put philosophy in the service of 
any social organization or any dogma is immoral. It's a lower form of evolution 
trying to devour a higher one." (Lila, p362)

We see exactly the same objection in the annotations, where Pirsig gets 
increasingly irritated by the theological overtones and finally complains about 
trying these theists trying to smuggle their goods in through the back door. I 
mean, come on John. Pirsig is quite consistent and unequivocal on this point. 
If Pirsig is reading this stuff, then he is watching you try to smuggle theism 
into his philosophy. Do you think he'd be okay with that and somehow grant an 
exception in your case? 

I know you get real bent out of shape over this and tend to my complaints as 
prejudiced personal attacks but look at what Pirsig is saying, man. I'm not 
making this up. Pirsig's view of such things is right there in front of you. 
All I can do it put it on your plate. But you've got to pick it up and chew on 
it for a while. Otherwise, the busboy is going come along and take it away, 
thereby throwing a perfectly good meal in the trash. And whose fault will that 
be? The cook's? The waiter's? Where does your intellectual responsibility 
factor into this? You came into Bob's diner, where they don't serve theism, and 
ordered the dish. What did you expect to get? That's like demanding sushi at a 
pizza place or demanding a rare steak at a vegan juice stand and then getting 
angry when they explain why that's not possible. 









                                          
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