Ian You wrote:
> Hopefully Bo, you can therefore see why I 99% agree with your position. > In a way, the only thing I resist in your position is the tendency to > wrap the good in a static conception of the MoQ - exactly as you / and > Pirsig criticize Plato in that quote. We have on several occasion tried to come closer, but something blows us apart, I hope for fusion but .... "Wrap the good in a static position ...etc"? The MOQ is neither static or dynamic, but the QUALITY CONTEXT itself, one may get too dynamic. > In the same way as SOM destroyed Arete by rigidly encasing it, it is > possible to do the same with Quality in the MoQ if we don't allow it > (and its definitions) room to breathe, room for atma. SOM destroyed Aretê in the ZAMM context because it (SOM) was Quality's only fall-out there (called "intellect" FYI) You can't be as rigid as DMB who insists on ZAMM being a reality of itself unperturbed by the MOQ, but nothing exists outside its static range and in such a retro-translation it's plain that it ZAMM describes intellect's emergence from society*). To portray an historical era as all Quality-steeped is impossible, that goes for a group "teaching Quality", it can only be taught in the form of the MOQ. > You're happy being 99% perfect, but I ... wanna go one better ;-) Ian If the Intellectual level isn't 100% SOM it is not THE SOM, but a mental container that has SOM at one layer and the MOQ at another and every metaphysics and systems since God knows when, and this is good old MIND. Besides all levels exists inside that mind-intellect. There seems to be something that prevents you all from grasping Phaedrus' original insight, I wish I knew what that blockage is? Bodvar *) P. of ZAMM is not the only one regarding (what the MOQ calls) the social era as a paradise lost. Remember Scott Roberts' Owen Barfield? His "participation" scheme starts with a golden age called "original participation" which is much like Aretê, then a "loss of participation" which is uncannily like SOM, and then he foresees a "restoration of participation" that must be his "moq", it's some time since I checked his system. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
