Marsha, Care to join me for Lunch today?
Have a seat. I'll order the wine. White Zinfandel, only, I'm afraid. Its the only kind Lu drinks usually and I'm more of a beer guy. I had an incident this past weekend, that coincided with some thoughts I'd been having about that whole "fuck your questions" soliloquy of LIla, which you relate to and somehow it ties in to the whole definition of the intellectual level. What Lila's soliloquy pointed to, imo, is the natural human hatred of being objectified. As Jacques Ellul puts it, "pinned to the wall in a butterfly museum" and it has been his thoughts and philosophizin' on the subject which have triggered some insightful realizations which coincide with my daughter Cassi's reaction to the normal vicissitudes of adolescent girl-hood. Boy trouble, to be exact. Worse than mere boy trouble, however. Boy trouble coupled with sister trouble. The boy in question being a good friend of hers that happens to be an on/off boyfriend of her sister, Sarah. Anyway, Cass has been real, real upset over her feelings and frustrations, and we were at my mom's visiting and she kept on wanting to leave, tugging us to the door, she wanted to go real bad and finish a painting she'd started, that was calling to her from home. What she'd been feeling the most, was a lack of caring on the part of her sister. A lack of understanding and a lack of compassion. So it seemed to me that she was driving for a way to express herself that would be understood. When we did get home, and she did get to work on her painting, she got even more frustrated, more upset over the way it was going. Her mom tried to give some advice, and Cass just took it really bad, as criticism and ended up sobbing and almost hysterical. Over a bloody bit of paint on a canvas. I mean, I just don't get that. I mean, I do get that, but I don't think that way at all. I can't care that much over artistic effort. Her mom did succeed finally in showing her how to lighten some muddiness, which had been Cassi's complaint, and how to undo what some things she'd done. Cassi didn't finish the painting to her satisfaction, but she got to where she could leave it alone and go back to school in contentment. And I like it. It's unfinished, slapdash and vivid emoting from a 16 year old girl. But she was correct in her attempt. It expresses something to me, to us all, that I didn't get from her words, from her situation, from her reality. "Oh, you're just another teen girl suffering from adolescent angst and excessive hormones." That's her reality and my statement is the truth. Big deal. "Yeah, thanks for the intellectual analysis dad, that really helps." I can hear her saying, if I bothered to tell her that, which I didn't. What fascinated me was seeing this repugnance at being intellectually pinned down, combined with a deep-felt need for expression, for being understood, create art. Lu put it on her website for me so I could actually show you<http://www.portraitsbylu.com/ART/CassiPainting.jpg>what I'm talking about, but I want to tie this all in to our discussion here on "the intellectual level" and how that whole realm of intellecuality is such a male dominated world. There's an amoral coldness to it that seems to repel the feminine mind. Hence the truth contained in Lila's Soliloquy in rejecting intellectual traps. And which Pirsig understood so well! And mind you, all men possess feminine minds, even as women have a heaping helping of the masculine to their mix. But primary orientations toward reality are deeply entrenched in sex differences. I saw this clearly with my daughter. She worked through her mental problems in a different way than I or most guys would. She used a different part of the human thought-repertoire. And by no means an inferior one! In fact, I'd assert along with Horse's recent postulation, and Platt's long-standing assertion, that an artistic aesthetic is the "highest" of all levels. That when it comes down to it, rationality itself is an artistic creation that evolves according to aesthetic considerations of order and beauty. And Leonard Shlains fascinating book, Art and Physics, makes a profound case for the evolution of new ideas in human experience coming first through the arts, the poets, the mythos in whole. THEN comes intellectual description. I'm thinking the MoQ would be well served to rename the 4th level something more along the lines, "the code of art" level. With intellectual thinking part of this level, as rationality is an art. In fact, the 4th level ought to be considered a division between classic and romantic thought - with the Romantic aspect of human consciousness closer to DQ than the Classic. The synthesis of art and science that puts science in its place. Thanks Marsha, burp. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:07 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > John, > > A very, beautiful and playful family. Thank you sharing the video. > It is no wonder you seem like a happy, quality guy. > > I did enjoy, and smile! And feel some nostalgia. > > Thank you... > > > Marsha > > > > > On May 5, 2010, at 11:30 AM, John Carl wrote: > > > Here Marsha, > > > > A smile for you. My three talented dauhters: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1UUC20gsqM > > > > Sarah's my middle girl, Cassi the redheaded youngest girl and Emily the > > talented videographer. > > > > Josh my son starts off the extravaganza, and there are also sneak peeks > of > > Lu and me in my daughter's video. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > John > > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 3:00 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> round and round... > >> > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbIuC9hTY9Y > >> > >> > >> Marsha, the out of tuned... > >> > >> ___ > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
