On May 11, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > [Marsha] > I understand intellectual patterns to be built on the SOM premise. > > [Arlo] > But again, if this is so, what is "cancerous" about any?
Marsha: You tell me. Are there any intellectual patterns that may be loosing their usefulness? > Certainly not SOM, since that defines the level. Marsha: Right. > Indeed, if all intellectual patterns are SOM, what exactly was Pirsig > lamenting in ZMM? If "intellect" can be nothing else but SOM, then > what's the beef with Aristotle? And those Sophists, they were > peddling SOM too. I think the lamenting has to do with head without heart. Would have, could have, should have been different. The body could have evolved with ten toes. It didn't. > [Marsha] > Maybe I misunderstood, but it seemed you were defending the social > level from being called inferior to the intellectual level. > > [Arlo] > As I said, to the contrary, I think that calling "intellect" nothing but SOM > achieves this. It puts intellect as a whole as a cancerous element atop > society, No, I don't think all intellectual patterns are cancerous. > it makes "intellect" at best something to be overcome in an otherwise > harmonious evolution. Marsha: Let's please remember that evolution is an intellectual static pattern of value. Otherwise harmonious? I don't buy that assumption. > Of course intellect should have moral dominance over society, but I think > Pirsig's point of asking "was this the pattern intellect was going to run > with?" > shows that intellect-as-SOM is the problem. Marsha: Screw the "should"! Only an ego talks in terms of "should." The misconception that these patterns are things-in-themselves is the problem. That is an idea that can be transcended by realizing all patterns are interdependent. That's where my optimism lies. ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
