Steve 13 May. you wrote: > DMB has long seemed to me to be confused about what Rorty means by > intersubjectivity and conversational constraints on knowledge as if > there is something dangerously relativistic about his notion of > justification. I'll try to clear up the issue.
I have for some time tried to ponder what you and DMB were discussing without success, this left me disgusted in addition. > Just as Pirsig's calling inorganic and biological patterns "objective" > and social and intellectual patterns "subjective" was an attempt by > Pirsig to continue to get some mileage out of the terms after dropping > the subject-object picture, "intersubjectivity" is Rorty's attempt to > make some pragmatic sense of objectivity. The mentioned method of how the MOQ subsumes - or encases - the SOM is wrong IMO, the S/O distinction is contained within the intellectual level and all platypis goes POOF! - dissolves - by that realization . Why bother with Rorty in a MOQ context? And why his need for making "pragmatic sense of objectivity", doesn't he need to make pragmatic sense of subjectivity? > For Rorty, "what guarantees the objectivity of the world in which we > live is that this world is common to us with other thinking beings. > Through the communications that we have with other men we receive from > them ready-made harmonious reasonings. We know that these reasonings > do not come from us and at the same time we recognize in them, because > of their harmony, the work of reasonable beings like ourselves. And as > these reasonings appear to fit the world of our sensations, we think > we may infer that these reasonable beings have seen the same thing as > we; thus it is that we know we haven't been dreaming. It is this > harmony, this quality if you will, that is the sole basis for the only > reality we can ever know." I'm disqualified in this philosophological dispute, but why bother with this arch-somish issue that the MOQ releases us from by rejecting SOM? And - phew - don't you know what MOQ's theory of truth is? Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
