dmb said to Steve:
What? We are supposing a distinction between knower and known?!? That is SOM
and I'm not supposing any such thing. The knower and known are derived from
pure experience and so they are in the conceptual buckets, not the
pre-conceptual stream. Again, this is an attack on the myth of the given. It
replaces SOM. I thought you understood that. You have read Lila, right?
Steve replied:
....Epistemology has always been about a knower and what is known. As the
theory of knowledge, what else could it be? I don't know how we could talk
about knowledge without using these concepts,.. Radical empiricism takes you
so far as to say that "knower" and "known" are both concepts or static quality,
but when you get into epistemology we will always be using these concepts in
asking what we can know and what ought to count as justification for knowledge
claims.
dmb says:
Okay, well that explains why you've seemed so "thick" on this topic. You are
stuck in SOM, just like Rorty.
Radical empiricism is epistemology by the way. For a radical empiricist,
experience IS reality and that means that epistemology IS the only ontology you
get. When you see that, maybe we can talk. Otherwise, everything I say will
continue to be misunderstood.
I had the wrong idea about you Steve. Somewhere I got the impression that you
basically understand what Pirsig is saying but lately I've realized that you
are confused about everything. This is a genuinely surprising and disappointing
revelation.
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