I guess it's because I'm a woman that men naturally assume I inherited insight from Bodvar. From a man's point of view, it's incomprehensible that I'd arrive at my own conclusions. Sure. I'm used to that. So was Lila.
Read the post Marsha put up just before yours: [MD] Lila's not anybody... That says everything. Maybe that's why I identify so much with black Americans too. Mary - The most important thing you will ever make is a realization. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:moq_discuss- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Andre Broersen > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:06 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Reading & Comprehension > > Mary to Andre: > > I've said elsewhere I think that Pirsig's conception of the MoQ was the > product of a high Quality thought process that's founded on SOM. In the > beginning, at least, he used SOM to defeat itself. > > Andre: > I am sorry to drag this up again Mary, but I think you have got this > from Bodvar. > 'Quality became a pivotal term for personal historical reasons- it > resulted from the flow of events that occurred in Bozeman, Montana, as > documented in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Quality was > adopted dynamically. The term itself had high Quality. I just felt > 'Quality'had quality the way the students just 'felt'some student > papers were better than others. I used to give students the advice, > 'First you just 'see' what has quality, then you figure out why. Don't > reverse the process, or you will get all confused'. It is important to > restate this now to avoid the perennial literary critics'trap of > thinking that the pivotal term quality is the result of some rational, > analyzable process' (Mr. Pirsig in Anthony's Textbook, p23) > > Further more, consider how Phaedrus describes the 'growth'of the MOQ: > > 'It was fascinating to watch this thing grow. No one that he knew had > ever written a whole mataphysics before and there were no rules for > doing it and no way of predicting how it would progress'. > > Remember Phaedrus had written everything down on slips and he has > purposefully tried to order them 'organizing and reorganizing so many > times become dizzy trying to fit them all together. He'd just about > given up...now the main purpose of the slips was not to help him > remember anything. It was to help him to forget it. That sounded > contradictory but the purpose was to keep his head empty, to put all > his ideas of the past four years on that pilot berth where he didn't > have to think of them.That was what he wanted.'(LILA Chapter 2). > > Need Mr. Pirsig say more? Bodvar does not accept this. No, it must be > out of SOM (to reinforce his interpretation of his intellectual level)! > > The MOQ chose itself. It was no product of 'high quality thought' as > you would have it Mary. It was arrived at Dynamically! > > And, may I add in parenthesis that this is only one of Bodvar's > multitude of misinterpretations and misunderstandings! > > For what it is worth. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
