On May 31, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Andre Broersen wrote:
> Marsha to Andre:
>
> I dislike making unnecessary judgements. Keeping possibilities
> spontaneous and flexible is more my preference. So again I ask
> you what kind of commitment are calling me a coward for not
> making???
>
> Andre:
> Since you are insisting Marsha, when I referred you to this site as the
> discuss of the MOQ, I expect contributors to share their ideas about
> interpretations/points of view/insights etc. with regards to Mr. Pirsig's MOQ
> It appeared to me that you, when 'confronted' by Arlo (for example)with some
> definite MOQ statements, you 'withdraw' in your 'undifferentiated ever
> changing' stuff...taking nothing seriously.
Marsha:
There are two points-of-view within the MoQ: unpatterned (dynamic) experience
and patterned (static) experience, they are mutually dependent, and I may, no
matter how paradoxically, consider both. I do take this experience very, very
seriously, at least when I am not ecstatically dancing. That is all I need to
say.
> Already you are doing this, again for example in your statement to Mary
> regarding 'the fourth level is SOM all the way' at the same time you say that
> you 'hold the level structure lightly'.I don't know what this means. This can
> mean anything.
Marsha:
It means I think fourth level patterns are built on the assumption that reality
contains subject and objects (formalized), but that I hold the level structure
lightly, because understanding the nature of all patterns has had a far greater
impact on my understanding of Quality.
> I am simply asking you to either commit yourself to 'SOM (fourth level) all
> the way' and argue for it on this discuss, or commit yourself to the
> 'lightly' structure of this level and argue for this..to clarify what you
> mean by this. Both stances to be taken provisionally.
No. I hold both and will stand by both points-of-view.
> Thing is, you do make judgements, you do make valuations all the time (eg SOM
> all the way).How and when do you find out whether they are/have been
> 'unnecessary'? Our ground stuff here is the static discussion of the MOQ and
> if and when everyone here is only responding according to spontaneous and
> flexible possibilities no proper discussion is possible.
Oh sorry, I was trying to put the MoQ into life experiences. Yes, every
movement is an evaluation, but I don't like to make intellectual judgements
when they are unnecessary. Neither would I be too quick to call Lila a whore
or you an asshole.
> After all the MOQ is a static intellectual pattern of quality.
I understand the MoQ to be 1.) a static intellectual pattern of quality, and
2.) a symbol designating Reality = Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned
experience)
> Not sure if this makes sense.
Sometimes experience is beyond making sense.
Marsha
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