[Bo] >From your "the MOQ a mess" premises it's almost a badge of honor to be characterized as ludicrous. See, rejecting the MOQ (meaning accepting SOM) is required to find the SOL ludicrous, and THAT is exactly my point. Thank you mr "anymouse".
[Krimel] The mess is obvious from that fact that this discussion continues. Your response leaves open the question why. KI would think the only point of agreement we might have is that Pirsig is the one who created much of the mess. But SOMand MoQ are certainly not the only options on the table. I notice that besides a bit of absurd label slinging you fail address any point I may have made or to make one of your own. In the video game arena this is call "turtleing up." You just pull your thick skull into your shell and pretend you are making sense rather than merely being oblivious. As I said before, "SOL, Shit Outta Luck." [Platt] What fun to have Krimel back. In condemning Bo's SOL he presents us with a classic example of SOL. You'll notice throughout Krimel's scientific S/O explication of the MOQ levels that values are not mentioned once. Not surprising really since, as Pirsig put it, "Science has no values. Not officially." (Lila, 4) When you strip values from your description of the MOQ, your understanding of it, by S/O scientific measurement, drops to 0. [Krimel] Thank for the welcome. Like Bo you resort to label slinging. Perhaps that is the only option available but its pretty lame. Was it Ambrose Bierce who said, it is better to keep silent and have people think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt? Still, it is simply not true that science has no values. Science is officially chuck full of values. E=MC2 is an expression of the value of energy in terms of mass and motion. PiR2 expresses the value of the relationship of the radius of a circle to its circumference. One could argue that science is about little other than value. The problem is the difference between quantitative and qualitative values. Much of the problem with your misunderstanding results from this confusion of yet another of Pirsig's unfortunate selection of terms. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
