Or truths are static patterns of value which are relative.
On Jun 3, 2010, at 9:42 AM, MarshaV wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > To make a slight alteration: For me, truth is a static pattern of value > which is relative. > > Marsha > > > > > > On Jun 3, 2010, at 3:11 AM, MarshaV wrote: > >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> I don't know if listening is the same as reading, but I downloaded >> 'Beatrice and Virgil' and listened to the first chapter, which of course >> contains your quote. You know for me, truth is relative. Fiction >> or non-fiction, it's all story to me. That is not to demean the story, >> quite the opposite, life is like a fantastic kaleidoscope of story-telling. >> I suppose I'm not the person to engage in an intelligent discussion >> concerning what is real, fiction or true. I enjoy hearing Martel >> questioning such assumptions, but they have already become >> water over the dam for me. >> >> Art has reflected my different stories over the years, whether making >> it or viewing it. Sometimes expressing an internal burn, sometimes >> joy, sometimes a question, sometimes puzzlement at the anomalies: >> it is always a mirror. I have worked with the book as an object of art, >> poetry, intaglio printmaking, classical guitar, collage (my favorite) >> and painting. Participating in art is to give yourself a huge, loving gift. >> >> And it is never too late to give that gift, either. >> >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:54 AM, Steven Peterson wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha, Ian, Matt, all >>> >>> Marsha, are you gonna give the new one a try of Life of Pi? In Life of >>> Pi (one of my all-time favorites), the narrator gives two difeerent >>> accounts of the same events. The people he is telling the stories to >>> want to know which story is true, but the first person narrator asks >>> which story is the better story? The better story is clearly the one >>> that doesn't ring nearly as true. >>> >>> I quoted author Martel: >>> >>> "Fiction and nonfiction are not so easily divided. Fiction may not be >>> real, but it’s true; it goes beyond the garland of facts to get to >>> emotional and psychological truths. As for nonfiction, for history, it >>> may be real, but its truth is slippery, hard to access, with no fixed >>> meaning bolted to it. If history doesn’t become story, it dies to >>> everyone except the historian. Art is the suitcase of history, >>> carrying the essentials. Art is the life buoy of history. Art is seed, >>> art is memory, art is vaccine."“In addition to the knowledge of >>> history...we need the understanding of art. Stories identify, unify, >>> give meaning to. Just as music is noise that makes sense, a painting >>> is colour that makes sense, so a story is life that makes sense." >>> >>> Steve: >>> What do you think about "not real, but true" applied to fiction? >>> >>> This is the sort of thing I think Neil Gaiman would say, too (about >>> stories) I personally wouldn't use the words "true" or "real" for >>> fiction since they sound to me like direct contradictions to the word >>> fiction, but I really like the last bit about "making sense" as >>> something distinct from truth and reality which applies as well to >>> both fiction and nonfiction. >>> >>> It makes me think about art in general. A lot of modern art just >>> doesn't make any sense to me while some does make some sense to me, >>> but it isn't an issue of true-false bivalence. "True" is the wrong >>> word, but I like "makes sense." Some art gets dismissed as not making >>> any sense (too dynamic or chaotic) or is mundane and doesn't *make* >>> sense of anything that did not already make sense (too static). Some >>> art keeps drawing you back to try to make sense and you keep finding >>> new things in it and it never seems to exhaust the process of making >>> new sense (some sweet spot of dynamic-static tension). >>> >>> The new book has a lot of writing about writing which may interest Matt. >>> >>> Best, >>> Steve >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
