BTW Krim, just wanted to say Thanks ! Your link has had me browsing around all these people the last two days ... something I haven't done for 2 or 3 years. Some very good stuff amongst all the hype - excitement is positive. (Blogged a post) Ian
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Ian Glendinning <[email protected]> wrote: > Krim, need to unpick this ... > >> [Krimel] >> I take Kurzweils basic point to be that humans will develop AIs that will >> help them develop smarter AIs. That has already happened BTW. Eventually AIs >> get to be smart enough to develop smarter AIs without help or AI+. Those AIs >> can then develop geometrically smarter and smarter AI++s. That is the >> "singularity" as I understand it. > > First. > "I take Kurzweils basic point to be that humans will develop AIs that > will help them develop smarter AIs. That has already happened BTW." > Yes clearly, no brainer. > > Second > "Eventually AIs get to be smart enough to develop smarter AIs without > help or AI+." > I get that is his point, but we are simply now debating "smart" ... > intelligence, intellect, etc ... No one (nothing) gets smarter without > help - static patterns around them, and patterns that are > interconnected with many more things than sheer processing power. A > very smart human doesn't get smarter using only their brain in > isolation ... at whatever speed an AGI might get smarter it too is > unlikely to get smarter in isolation either. It needs to evolve, and > the speed of evolution is to do with genetic and memetic reproduction > rates over the generations, not processing power in the current > generation. > > A smart AGI that fails to recognize the value of humans, is like a > smart human failing to value their eco-environment ... won't last > long. The limiting factors are far more than processing capabilities > ... at the intellectual level. > > There are interpretations of "the singularity" that involve human-AI > symbiosis, that seem much more credible to me. Uploading or otherwise. > You seem to be living out your literary character Krimel :-) > > Fewer sceptics at the 2010 event I see. > Ian > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
