Hi Krimel, > Just a question for Mary: What's it like being rescued by one the > Knights > Who Say, Ni? >
I find it apropos since the leader of the Knights changed it to "the Knights who say an odd string of syllables". Mary > > Mary said: > Almost a week and no response. I would like you, the thesis writer, to > tell > me what the difference is between the Intellectual Level and the > Social. > Save me from being 'victimized' by Bo. > > Krimel replied: > The levels within the MoQ are a mess and in large measure that > confusion > does result from Pirsig's somewhat incoherent account of them. > > dmb says: > Lucky me. I've returned from a family vacation to find that I get to > play > the hero who rescues the damsel in distress. And it looks like Mary > could > use some help too. > > [snip] > > C'mon, Krimel. Untie yourself and get up off of the railroad tracks. > Your > complaint is predicated on some kind of intellectual laziness. It > amounts to > a complaint that Pirsig didn't take the time to explain things that you > should already know - or at least be able and willing to find out. That > goes > for you too, Mary. Pirsig did not invent this distinction. There are > lots of > different opinions about the relations between mythos and logos but if > you > look around I think you'll see how the two sides differ, how they > conflict > and where to draw the line between them. > > [Krimel] > I am sorry if I left the impression that the incoherence was confined > to > just the intellectual level. All of them are shot through with it. But > for > present purposes the Mythos is just discarded Logos. Any explanation > expressed in symbolic fashion is an intellectual pattern. Claiming that > God > created the universe in seven days for example is an intellectual > pattern. > At one time it was Logos. The fact that it gets replace by "better" > ideas > that assume the mantle of Logos does not mean that the pattern is any > less > an intellectual pattern. > > Both Mythos and Logos are part of the collection of intellectual > patterns. > You are confusing the function of intellectual patterns on the one hand > and > the quality of the patterns on the other. If levels are sets of > patterns, > then the level has to include all of the patterns. Bad ideas are just > as > much ideas as good ones. The Ptolmeic system of cosmology is no longer > taken > seriously but it is still an intellectual pattern. Intellectual > patterns can > serve social functions; like explaining why there is something instead > of > nothing; and social patterns can serve intellectual ones; raising your > hand > before asking a question or keeping silent in a library. > > Just a question for Mary: What's it like being rescued by one the > Knights > Who Say, Ni? > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
