Hi Adrie,
> I agree on this all the way , Dan,..Timeless beauty will last forever. > > And I agree completely with the three of you. > Simple...The statement looks and feels simple, just by the grace of the > total harmony, > however the content it's carrying is the opposite of simple. > > Interesting. Opposite of simple is complicated. Content depends upon the discrimination of the beholder. So sometimes simple is complicated. > So one can say correctly that--Dan quoting Pirsig. > Dynamic Quality is both infinitely definable and undefinable because > definition never exhausts it." [Robert Pirsig, LILA'S CHILD > > "Exactly both infinitely definable and undefinable because definition never > exhausts it" > Total harmony, i agree, but not simple. > The possible projections that are incorporated-embedded,are on the cutting > edge of what man > is capable to understand or is trying to expirience. > I was thinking of one of Mary's phrase's , as Pirsig is refusing or not > wanting to define quality, > But i tend to think that Pirsigs stament is--It cannot be defined-it is to > be perceived/expirienced. > Yes, interesting distinction to ponder. Pirsig refusing is like daddy saying NO. But he's not refusing, like some meany who is torturing his students by refusing to define Quality. He's in it with them! He was hoping one of THEM would have an answer. A teacher asking his students? No wonder the howls of outrage. I agree completely. > > But, (ps) found finally some time to read LILA'S CHILD, this evening and > tommorow, > Taking some Qualitytime for my own. > > Greetzz, all (Dan). > Adrie. > > > Well over here it's Father's day tomorrow. Which I'm gonna spend with my dad and we're looking forward to it. In honor of Fathers, I offer an early father's day present to whet your taste for your coming treat. I myself will address some of these concerns, which J Kegely also addresses in her comparison of Royce and MacIntyre in her book, Genuine Individuals and Genuine Communities. Old Horse: Another problem is that with much of Communitarianism, and MacIntyre in particular, this system is based on neo-Aristotelian Virtue theory. The big problem here is that this is a personal ethical system, which does nothing whatsoever to curb the excesses of the real social problem, the social institutions of government, church, and the multi-nationals. Communitarianism plays right into their hands. No wonder these institutions advocate such a system. The proles get on with being nice people whilst the institutions get on with shafting us; this is repeated again and again throughout history and will continue whilst idiots like MacIntyre propound their particular brand of oppression. Oops! Sorry I’m getting political but hopefully you see the point I am making. Although my favorite quotes are from some guy named RMP: After the beginning of history inorganic, biological, social and intellectual patterns are found existing together in the same person. I think the conflicts mentioned here are intellectual conflicts in which one side clings to an intellectual justification of existing social patterns and the other side intellectually opposes the existing social patterns. A social pattern which would be unaware of the next higher level would be found among prehistoric people and the higher primates when they exhibit social learning that is not genetically hard- wired but yet is not symbolic. I agree completely, RMP, but I do like to make a point about "beginning of history". After all, we're not even talking about written history, but an oral tradition that is very, very old. Much older than literacy - which is pretty old in itself! And in a sense, until humanity's mind took off in this level of abstraction way, they were just other animals. It's is intellect that sets man apart, thus wherever you find man, you find intellect. Whatever primitive precursor you postulate before man, was a different animal entirely. Intellect is man, man is intellect. Oops! And woman too, of course. Silly habits. Please set Bo straight on this because he keeps insisting that the levels of hierarchy work like some sorta mechanism that just winds upwards and people used to be "of a merely social level" which is obviously not according to this quote and it's frustrating everybody. I mean, he (Bo) had a lot to do with Dan's tackling Lila's Child. You'd think he'd read it once in a while. Take Care, Dads everywhere. John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
