Ron Goodness knows why I bother with you and your endless objections and questions that - regardless of how many times I explain - you repeat in some new form. 20 June:
I had said that I don't seek any self-help manual, but an convincing explanation of existence > > Improve lives sounds very NewAgeish. With me a convincing explanation of > > existence goes a long way, and with the MOQ I found such an explanation > > for the first time. Ron: > But you render that explaination an s/o explaination, as any > intellectual explaination. If writing is "intellectual" how can anything conveyed by language be non-intellectual? The 4th. static level is S/O, there you are right for once - possibly inadvertently - but it has nothing specially to do with language or thinking or what SOM calls "mental". > This really doesent change anything then. The old explaination is just > as convincing, even more so since you yourself claim that it is the > highest static pattern. It's hard to reach you. The old explanation was SOM i.e. the S/O schism as IT REALLY IS, meaning that the distance between ourselves as subject and objective reality wasn't just great, it was UNBRIDGEABLE, two universes. Whatever philosophy, theory or explanation there existed or would come to be would be "in here", the real world "out there" would be as indifferent and unaffected as it - still according to SOM - had been from eternity and would remain to eternity. Then this mysterious Robert Pirsig who said that SOM was a "fall-out" of a greater reality and further pointed to its time of falling out, namely with the Greeks. This was my "Road to Damascus" experience, finally was the Mind/Matter spell broken and all those philosophers whose books I had browsed without finding this so obvious and convincing solution, they were at once midgets compared to Pirsig. LILA and it partly abolishing the one and only SOLution I won't go into here > SOL allows only ONE explaination, the objective one. SOL is the assertion that intellect is the subject/object distinction, this so for the reason that that was Phaedrus' (of ZAMM) breathtaking assertion. Regarding the MOQ it had to use SOM's own objective strength (with which it had broken the social level's power) to make it out of SOM and - after that - make both objective and subjective (the distinction that is!!!!) into its own static intellectual level. It's an elegant, seamless "inside out turn of the metaphysical sock". But you bugs who never felt uncomfortable inside SOM's confinement - never knew it as confinement - will of course bemoan the whole operation. Please read before throwing yourself at the keyboard. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
