Craig, Marsha, Mary, All. 23 June:
Craig originally: > > > Pirsig emphasizes static patterns of value. Bo > > > identifies the intellectual level with Subjects & Objects. But what > > > if Subjects & Objects are seen as static patterns of value? Doesn't > > > this bridge the gap between the 2 metaphysics? Again, fine, even if I don't quite like the "2 metaphysics", it was after all ZAMM that forwarded the "intellect=SOM" (SOL) solution and about half & half of LILA conveys this view. Marsha comments: > > My answer to this quote would be NO! RMP's recognition sent him off > > to the mental institution. Bo: Interesting. By "RMP's recognition" do you mean the "Intellect=SOM" recognition? And that this caused his breakdown? Marsha: This is nothing but pure speculation on my part. It certainly wasn't my experience, but I have it that, yes, his intellect as SOM, his Reality, disintegrated. > > Having had such a realization, it's easy > > for him to say!!! I don't think making an intellectual switch from > > objects (thing-in- itself) to patterns (ever-changing, relational, > > unbounded, impermanent) does the trick. Bo: If you mean that Pirsig did not dare repeat the intellect=SOM in LILA because it had once sent him to the hospital? If so I agree most vehemently. Marsha: I might have misunderstood Craig's original statement as a RMP quote stating that all one needed to do was replace object with pattern. My mistake and so messy I won't try to correct it. I will restate my strong belief that making an intellectual switch from objects (thing-in-itelf) to pattern (ever-changing, relational, unbounded, impermanent) DOES NOT do the trick. Sorry for the confusion. > [Mary Replies] >Agree with that! Changing one intellectual construction for another >is to pay lip service. Doesn't change a thing. Bo: Hmm, had I just been sure what this means. At least, the "orthodox" intellectual level is much like SOM's MIND and consequently everything becomes "mind-intellectual constructions". But MOQ's 4th. level as SOM is a QUALITY construction! Marsha: I'm not sure what you mean here. Rather than getting lost in language I'm going to restate: Quality(unpatterned experience(DQ)/ patterned experience(sq)). Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
