[Mary] The Pirsig Levels are SOM representations of the indefinable insight Pirsig had early on.
[Craig] However, it does not follow that SOL = SOM nor that SOL cannot be part of the MoQ. (Nor that insights are either definable or indefinable.) [Arlo] Not only this, SOM is the specific metaphysical position that posits that "subjects and objects" is the fundamental metaphysical division of "reality". How on earth can the "Pirsig levels" be SOM? That's inane. So here's some remediation. SOM = a particular metaphysical view that holds the subject/object division to be the primary metaphysical division of "reality". MOQ = a particular metaphysical view that holds that the dynamic/static division is the primary metaphysical division of "reality". These are both "intellectual patterns", and both inform a particular response to experience. SOL, "subject-object logic", is one of those terms that, I gather, means "logic derived from operating within an SOM orientation". There is no "necessary SOL" needed to convey the MOQ, that's about as idiotic and incoherent a statement as one can put forth. The MOQ as written by Pirsig does not make use of SOL, because the author is not operating from within an SOM view. Of course, you could say that "language", with its "subject" and "objects" makes all discourse "SOL", but that's ridiculous. It would be just as true that "language" with its "verbs" and "time" makes all discourse ATL (active-temporal logic). There is really only one thing the fuels the "SOL", and that is a loathing of "intellect". The view that this is some sort of ipso facto cancerous lesion atop an otherwise moral and harmonic existence. And that those horrid, evil interlictials with their black teeth and dirty fingernails are responsible for all the worlds ills. Ah, if only we could get rid of that damned intellect, all would be glorious! So instead of following Pirsig's brilliant insight to remedy a blindspot in the dominant intellectual paradigm, we simply rage against the intellectual level as faulty and vile. Sad. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
