OK thanks Arlo, (and Horse) now Bo, ... That Pirsig quote is from the Paul Turner letter (2003) and Bo response to it was in his SOLAQI piece ?
Pirsig: The argument that the MOQ is not an intellectual formulation but some kind of other level is not clear to me. There is nothing in the MOQ that I know of that leads to this conclusion. Bo: This one is for me, but I can only say that an intellectual level “containing ideas” – SOM one idea and the MOQ another - is incompatible with the SOL. Earlier in this letter Pirsig says that intellect can’t see itself. That’s just right! A higher ground is needed to see the outline of something and that is what the MOQ provides! It sees intellect for what it really is – a mere static level of its own system. I just answered this (and so did Arlo, again and again). No one is saying MoQ "IS" intellect - we are saying a Metaphysics is an intellectual pattern which contains a description of everything including intellectual things - it would be a pretty useless metaphysics if it didn't . Mission accomplished. No problem. The meta prefix lets us recognise (the otherwise absurdity of) a thing describing itself, and not get hung up on the not-quite-circular logic. The "meta" gives us that higher level to look at intellect from a point hypothetically outside intellect, using our intellect. Far from being a problem, that's what it's for. As Aro says ... it's what the M stands for. The MoQ frees us from this prison of intellectual patterns of logic, by valuing our experience in breaking such patterns. Ian On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:00 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[email protected]> wrote: > [Platt] > What Pirsig said "undermines" the MOQ is suggesting it is just another product > of S/O thinking -- which is exactly what those who dump the MOQ in with other > metaphysics in the intellectual level do. > > [Pirsig] > The argument that the MOQ is not an intellectual formulation but some kind of > other level is not clear to me. There is nothing in the MOQ that I know of > that > leads to this conclusion. > > By the way, MOQ = METAPHYSICS. Didn't you know what the "M" stood for? > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
