Arlo said:
... I guess I am saying that in their precessional calculations I see evidence 
of the latter emerging. And this is qualitatively different from the simple use 
of number signs to count sheep or slaves. ... My point was, to Bo, talking 
about the "appearance" of intellectual patterns with the Greeks is untenable 
argument. Talking about the "dominance" of intellectual patterns as during this 
time is something else, and a tenable argument.

dmb says:

I see what you mean. How about this; things as advanced as the precessional 
calculations would be something like the intellectual level as it existed 
within the womb of the social body, a growing potential that would soon emerge 
as a separate, distinguishable being. Then the Axial age is the time when this 
potential is actually born and achieves something like independence in Ancient 
Greece. Dominance, as Pirsig draws the line, didn't come until the post-WWI 
period, less than a century ago. 




                                          
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