DMB You had said: > > > ... The relationship between subjects and objects simply is not the > > > same as the relationship between dynamic reality and static concepts > > > (between DQ and sq).
Bo had replied: > > Right, who claims that the S/O relationship is the same as the DQ/SQ > > one? And moreover who says that SQ are "static concepts"? except DMB. It > > is inorganic, biological, social and intellectual patterns, only at > > intellect is it reality vs concepts and if this SOM's is equalized with > > DQ/SQ all hell is loose as it has been long in the weak camp. dmb says: DMB again: > Oh, for Pete's sake! I am denying the that the relationship is the same > because hat's what you have accused me of saying they are the same. You > repeated that charge above. If SOM is equalized with DQ/sq all hell > breaks loose, you say. This is the position of the weak camp, you say. > Am I am telling you that this is NOT what I'm saying. I've explained > over and over again what I am trying to say and that is most certainly > NOT it. Hold it you fool! The DQ/SQ split supersedes the Subject/Ovject split, we all agree about that, my accusation is that the "Quality/MOQ" meta- metaphysics that Pirsig launced in his Summary re-installs or mimics the S/O by making Quality = Reality and the MOQ a mere subjective interpretation of it and - here's the point - as long as you take THIS latter-day Pirsig uttering as valid you have equalized - not MOQ's DQ/SQ, but Pirsig's new Quality/MOQ distinction with the S/O one. Try to understand this before hitting your keyboard. > I'm totally convinced that some people are simply not capable of > discussing the MOQ and you sir are one of them. You have no business > doing philosophy. You're even confused about the meaning of your own > assertions! I don't mean to be cruel but life is too short, Bo. I'm > not gonna waste my time trying to reason with unreasonable people. > Shame on me for being fooled again. Right, I may not be capable of doing philosophology any more - I admit that - the MOQ has brought me under its spell, but as it is that we are here to discuss the MOQ I strike down on all deviations I can spot and the "Quality/MOQ" meta-metaphysics is the worst yet encountered, and you Pirsig-swooners swallow it raw. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
