Bo the dour replies to my invitation to dance in the sunshine with the daisies, and he gives me bloated corpses rotting in the harsh light of existence:
> "Growing toward the light like a flower in the sunshine? LOL! Read the > part about "a professor left out in the sunshine" i.e. the impossible > condition that inorganic value poses to life. No one can find a rational > reason how life got started ... still, it's a fact. > > Right Bo! It's a fact and it's a fun fact. It's a good thing, I think. That's what I'm talking about. > > Why all this fighting and resistance? Hang some friggin' daisies > > around your prow. Lighten up here, man. I'm from California. We don't > > do "norwegian dour'. > > OK, you are "harmless" one can't really blame kindergarten inmates > for soiling their pants. > > Flowers need shit. No doubt about it. And as Krimel reminds, shit happens. As I remind, that's a GOOD thing. > > And DQ as a midwife, doesn't work. What's the force then, Who is > > giving birth? Do you know how little, a really good midwife even > > does? Our last birth, our midwife popped her head in a couple times > > and cleaned up the mess afterward. Kept guard at the door. Is that > > the kind of metaphor you meant for DQ? > > Then the midwife metaphor wasn't the best, maybe the role YOU > played as inseminator is more apt ;-) > > DQ the inseminator. Ok. Now yer talking. > > Last and hardest, "MoQ transcending intellect." Tsk, tsk. Bo. > > You're wearing your helmet upside down again. MoQ is explicitly and > > definitely, a metaphysics. A metaphysics is a philosophy, a set of > > ideas about reality. An intellectual construction, through and > > through. If individuals can achieve realizations of their > > existence, using this metaphysics, then GREAT. We have a good > > metaphysics. > > OK, here is the crux, after intellect's or SOM's emergence the term > "metaphysics" was coined by Aristotle and became "subjective > theories about objective reality", but as Pirsig starts the MOQ he tries > to give the term a much more fundamental meaning, namely REALITY > ITSELF which is the true meaning. REALITY ITSELF is just a construct, Bo. Any way you slice it, it's an intellectual formulation in your head, that you choose to define and observe in the way that you do. Even a really great metaphysic, is just another metaphysical system to be compared to other metaphysical systems in the light of which has the most quality. > The remotest tribes in the > innermost reaches of Amazonas - without any academies and > philosophers all have a metaphysics in the latter sense, and that is the > MOQ sense > > But... but... but... you say these primitives without universities to teach them Socratic forms, are not intellectual. How can you have a metaphysics without intellect? That sounds idiosyncratic at least. Idiotic at most. > > With this unhealthy mis-mash of completely silly, half-valid and a > grains of valid notions I have no chance to reach you. > > can't argue with that. > > As said you are harmless, very village needs one. > > Bodvar > > very. John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
