On Aug 9, 2010, at 5:58 AM, Andre Broersen wrote: > dmb said to Arlo: > > Yep. If you introduce some new category to the MOQ, regardless of the reason > for doing so, I think you quite literally have to explain what in the world > you're talking about. The four levels are suppose to cover all there is so > that nothing except DQ is left out. It's pretty hard to imagine that Pirsig > forgot to include "labels" or "levels" or "heart" or "meditation" in the > world as we know it. Since the four levels are supposed include all things in > an exhaustive way, it's hard to imagine what kind of "thing" would require > the addition of a fifth level. Some new category of "thing" that does not > exist yet? Is there some part of the world that Bo and Marsha have access to > even though it doesn't appear in any encyclopedia? > > I think this whole mess has something to do with defining the 4th level as > SOM. > > Andre: > I think this is correct dmb. Consider the Buddha himself suggesting that even > the highest attainable spiritual state is a mental,(therefore > intellectual)creation. Dr. W. Rahula in 'What the Buddha Taught': > 'Notice that all the spiritual and mystic states, however pure and high they > may be, are mental creations, mind-made, conditioned and compound (samkhata). > They are not reality, not Truth'. (p.38). > > This, in response to the Buddha's observation that: > 'If I focus this purified and cleansed equanimity on the Sphere of Infinite > Space and develop a mind conforming thereto, that is a mental creation. If I > focus this purified and cleansed equanimity on the Sphere of Infinite > Consciousness...on the Sphere of Nothingness...or on the Sphere of > Neither-perception nor Non-perception and develop a mind conforming thereto, > that is a mental creation' (pp38-9). > > I also think that this reflects beautifully Pirsig's 'definition' of the > intellectual level or rather the 'nature' of it's experiencing (ability).
H Andre, Could you explain Rahula's sentences that you quoted, and how these quotes correlate to between with RMP's definitions. Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
