On Aug 17, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Andre Broersen wrote: > Magnus to Marsha: > > That's why I questioned why even SOM was a problem in > Buddhism, I thought it simply didn't exist. > > Marsha: > That would be one way of stating it, but I read gazillions on the_illusion_ > that self and objects (explicitly mentioned) are taken to be independent, > permanent entities. > > Andre: > That's right Marsha, their are an illusion...and SOM does not exist in > Buddhism.
Marsha: The are many Buddhists, and very few enlightened Buddhas. Don't be a fool... Read the full article... > > And to make this whole business of Western scientific and philosophical > inquiry accessible and recognizable to the Western 'mind-set' Mr. Pirsig > 'reduced' its terms to subjects and objects and deliberately did not use such > terms as 'form and formless', the 'void', 'emptiness etc etc. > > 'In the same way the MOQ has 'created' subject-object metaphysics as that > system of thought which the MOQ has left behind' (Annot.144, LC). > > It has left it behind by 'fusing' science, radical empiricism and > Eastern/Indian 'mystical' insights and methodologies into a larger frame of > available tools and the resultant understanding. > > This discuss is primarily about the MOQ and not SOM. If you want to find out > how the dominant, scientific, 'subject-object theoretical structure' is > identified and dealt with by Mr. Pirsig, read ZMM and LILA. > > I would suggest that the MOQ is dispensing with the notions of (SOM's) > 'substantive entities, unchanging essences or independent agents altogether'. > > And this Discuss is a response to and expression of this '... momentous > shift...' and talks about and explores these 'ever-widening implications' > (from your quote). > > This,at least,is what I thought Horse is defending. It is high time some > things ARE left behind. ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
