John You are projecting again, a whole bunch of things that have nothing to do with what's on my mind. I fully acknowledge there are differences between men and women. Entertain yourself...
Marsha On Aug 24, 2010, at 2:19 PM, John Carl wrote: > I was caught up short recently, in a dialogue with Marsha that started to > get heated so I thought I'd take a moment and reflect upon the deeper > issues. Take some time and e-valuate. > > From my perspective, it bugs Marsha when observed differences between the > sexes are explicated. It gets a rise out of her that usually instantiates > as "Women have been oppressed and trodden down for ages, and still are in > many places, BECAUSE of those perceived differences - which men use to > excuse dominating behavior." > > And my immediate reaction is, "so what?" What does this have to do with > me? I certainly don't believe in oppressing women because of their > differences. I'd probably been kicked out of my particular household long > ago, if that were true. So what's the point? Am I supposed to make up for > past injustice? By offering a "free pass" now? > > Perhaps some sort of reparations are in order? How many years of bowing > before the hive queen? before the sins of the fathers are no longer visited > upon the heads of the children? > > There are no free passes in metaphysics. Sorry. If a pattern is > observable, then it's existant and fair game for analysis and discussion. > The whole division of male/female, wasn't exactly a human invention. Nature > came up with that one. The fact of "division between" does not necessarily > mean "opposition too". > > It's the whole competitive sphere that gets people riled up. The idea that > we compete for power. It's silly. And dangerous. And pervasive in > modernity, techno-socially reinforced on every side by romantic comedies. > > - but that's another story. > > > > In my pause in dialogue with Marsha, other considerations arose. It seems > an awful lot like she's had to deal with a lot of flack already. Criticism > from almost every corner, all the guys on this list except for Bo, and he > just got excluded. So Marsha's had to deal with a lot of rejection. And I > wince at piling on. > > It's not fair to beat up on a girl. My instincts resist. > > > You have to admit, the irony is delicious. > > > As for the whole masculine/feminine orientation of human thought, I sorta > agree with the eastern ways of liberation, and the rest of humanity, and the > actual division of our natural brain, that these differences are > empirically demonstrable and metaphysically significant. > > And oughtn't be swept away because of the ways these differences were used > in the past, present or future. > > See, there's a baby, And then there's bathwater. And a good mom knows the > difference. And a good man, doesn't back down, just to "get along" cuz some > queen is having her period. > > No matter how painful that "not getting along", can be. > > Right is right and wrong is wrong. > > And "nyet-nyet" is nothing worth mentioning. > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
