On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:38 AM, X Acto wrote: > > > > > Ron: >> I mean, why not just believe in god if you want to believe >> in something that can't be understood? > > Marsha: > No one is asking you to participate in magical thinking, > or to believe in any kind of independent deity. I think Bo > tries to be very rational in his explanation, but he is bound > to fail for those who demand 'real' rationality. > > You may be very satisfied with "expanded rationality", > but leave the door open for greater possibilities, or at > least leave the door open for those who wish more for > you. > > Ron: > I thank you for that sentiment and I do try, in fact I respect an answer > like that. It was an excellent explanation.
Ron, You're being kind now, but this afternoon I am liable to write something that makes me sound like an animated unicorn and you'll be on my case again. Love you! Marsha > > > >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 2:36:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Able to change well. >> >> Ron, >> >> And do you want the "honest explanation" presented >> within the boundaries of Aristotelian logic? Can I say >> it has been deeply intuited as such, that it came to me >> as a bolt of lightening? Or it creates for me the greatest >> harmony? Can I say having had unpatterned experiences >> has convinced me that there is a quality experience which >> is a knowing above all static levels? An experience that >> come to know all static patterns as temporary events. >> >> Some kinds of knowledge is not easily converted into words... >> I believe this is why the MoQ is so difficult. How do you try to >> explain in patterns that which is beyond all static patterns? >> >> So what kind of an "honest explanation" would satisfy you? >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> On Sep 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, X Acto wrote: >> >>> Marsha, >>> I agree, The problem I think is calling one true and one false. >>> but that is a failing of the interpretive factor, now a dialog >>> on what makes one or the other better or more valuable >>> would bring us all closer to a richer understanding of both, >>> But as far as I have been able to coax from Bo, this is >>> not his interest, it's the either/or all or nothin kind of >>> endeavor. >>> >>> Believe me, all I ever wanted was a honost explanation of why >>> it's better. >>> "It just is" , never has worked for me, when I was a kid or now. >>> >>> -Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 1:41:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Able to change well. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 5, 2010, at 1:26 PM, X Acto wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> @ Lila has just been published. A metaphysics is delineated. A question >>>> may be >>> >>> >>> >>>> asked, how does SOM, which did all that good work in Zen and... fit in? >>>> It's a legitimate question. >>>> Bodvar feels there has been a cop out and the fruits of Zen and... are >>>> left >>>> rotting on the vine. >>>> He feels SOM did great things and now it's been dissolved. This seems like >>>> an >> >> >>>> injustice doesn't it? >>>> SODV attempts to indicate that SOM is alive and well. >>>> Bodvar thinks Robert Pirsig is playing slippery eel. He knows he's wrong >>>> but he >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> won't admit it and make himself look inferior to Bodvar. >>>> Now it's personal. It's about integrity. Here's one: It's Phaedrus who's >>>> been >> >> >>>> betrayed. Robert Pirsig has done the dirty and is getting away with it. >>>> Bodvar IS Phaedrus now and he's not going to allow it. He'll show 'em. >>>> But no one is backing him up. No one understands. They are all cowards and >>>> cheats. It's not persecution, they really aren't up to it. >>>> This town ain't big enough for two metaphysics. There's a gonna be a >> showdown. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ron: >>>> It's a legitimate "showdown" thats been requested from Bodvar but all he's >>>> ever >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> been able to muster >>>> is an arguement based in the interpretive factor. Nothing presented from a >>>> philosophical perspective >>>> on it's own merits. >>>> Lets call a spade a spade and not a shovel, lets place cowardice where it >>>> belongs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha: >>> Why must it be either/or? Bo should be able to spend the rest of his life >>> on > >>> the MD >>> >>> finding the best words to support his point-of-view. A point-of-view that >>> I >>> too >>> >>> came >>> >>> to but from a different direction, and now a point-of-view I share with >>> him. > >>> Either/or? >>> Isn't it about getting beyond needing to declare this or that? 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