what you say, perhaps not what you preffer, now thats another story
----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 10:08:04 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics Marsha: No, Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable. What I say about Quality is not Quality, it is a static representation relative to my history and DQ. Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience) On Oct 9, 2010, at 10:02 AM, X Acto wrote: > it seems quality is knowable > > you just expressed prefference for the term "ultimate" > > you know you like it better. > > thats Quality > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 9:58:37 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics > > Marsha: > I haven't any idea what you're talking about. I cannot find a clear > definition of the word 'absolute' as you are using explaining it. > > Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable, so it seems to > me that what we can say about it is not Absolute, it is relative. > > I prefer 'ultimate.' > > > > On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:42 AM, X Acto wrote: > >> I think this where the trouble stems from in regard to "emptiness" too. >> it's a matter of preference concerning meaning of terms. >> >> does emptiness accurately convey betterness? >> >> not really >> >> but "ultimate" tends to hint at a finality >> >> where absolute hints at form, but absolute quality hints at formless form. >> >> we know it but can't define it. >> >> what do you think? >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 9:34:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics >> >> Marsha: >> I do not use the word 'absolute'; I like better the word >> 'ultimate.' The Absolute is beyond my ability to know it. >> >> Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience) >> >> >> >> On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:31 AM, X Acto wrote: >> >>> Quality is absolute >>> >>> absolute betterness >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 9:06:37 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics >>> >>> >>> Marsha: >>> I do not consider my measurement of truth as absolute. >>> I have no knowledge of what is Absolute. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:02 AM, X Acto wrote: >>> >>>> sure you do >>>> >>>> you have knowledge of what you like and dislike >>>> >>>> you have knowledge of Quality >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 8:45:41 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha: >>>> The question was to John's explanation of an >>>> _Absolute_ measure of truth because he claims >>>> that one exists. I do not consider my measurement >>>> of truth as absolute. I have no knowledge of what >>>> is Absolute. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 9, 2010, at 8:19 AM, X Acto wrote: >>>> >>>>> You already posses it Marsha. >>>>> Your own values >>>>> your collection of likes and dislikes >>>>> put to work in everymoment of experience. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 1:48:23 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi John, >>>>> >>>>> What is this Absolute measure of truth? Where is it? How can I >>>>> get access to it to apply it when necessary? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 1:12 PM, John Carl wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, dave, I sorta figured you were referring to to philosophical >>>>>> relativism rather than physical relativism. In my book, the latter > refutes >>>>>> the former. I've always argued against Relativism in my philosophic >>>>>> disputations also. So I with you on that one. >>>>>> >>>>>> dmb says: >>>>>>> If you are talking within the context of physics, "relativity" is about >>>>>>> time and space. In the context of philosophy, however, relativism is a >>>>>>> position on truth and morality. So Einstein's theory is not in dispute >>> here. >>>>>>> The dispute is about epistemological relativity and its relation to the >>>>>>> pragmatic theory of truth. That is the context in which "relativity" > means >>>>>>> there is no standard by which to measure things like truth and moral >>> values. >>>>>>> As you may have noticed, I think relativism is a very bad idea with >>>>>>> very >>> bad >>>>>>> consequences and I think the pragmatic theory of truth is NOT a form of >>>>>>> relativism. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Usually though, my disputation takes the form of Relativism vs. > Absolutism, >>>>>> and since you and I agree on disparaging Relativism, I'm puzzled how you >> can >>>>>> disagree with me that Truth is an Absolute Ideal. Even if you make >>>>>> Experience your Absolute, it is still, an Absolute. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
