Hi Dan, > > Hi Mary > > Forgive me, but I thought the Metaphysics of Quality is all about > patterns. But you could be right. Still, in the framework of > "subject/object metaphysics, there are only subject and objects. If I > may ask, where are patterns located in such a scheme? > [Mary replies]
Not to belabor, but according to Pirsig, everything is a set of patterns, including the Intellectual Level. > > >Explaining patterns, examining > > patterns, comparing and contrasting patterns. By definition, SOM > can't > > address an 'unpattern'. The reason we have so much trouble > communicating > > the essence of 'unpatterns' to SOMists is precisely because they > cannot be > > addressed in the realm of patterns. The first cut at Dynamic Quality > is > > experience. In the instant we've 'experienced', it becomes one of 2 > things > > in the second cut - a subject or an object. That's unfortunate, > because > > once we've sliced things up as subjects and objects, we can no longer > talk > > about Quality, or Values, or Morals. We're hard-wired that way. Not > our > > fault, just our disability. > > Dan: > In the framework of the MOQ, Dynamic Quality IS experience. Static > quality is the fallout. Subject and objects are convenient terms for > patterns of value as long as it is remembered that they are just > that... convenient terms. There are no subject and objects in the > framework of the MOQ and in fact the MOQ was invented as an antidote > to just such. > [Mary replies] I am sorry to say it, but I have to disagree. Dynamic Quality is not experience. Dynamic Quality can be experienced, but it is not experience. By the time DQ is experienced, it has become a static pattern already. Can you name a static pattern of value? If you can, I propose that what you have really done is objectify it into an object or subject. At the point of awareness it's already too late. > Thank you, > > Dan Your welcome, ;) Mary Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
