Most probably a book starts with chapter 1, and only chapter 1,not all other chapters from the sequence. A book on itself doesn' start with quality (writingquality), it is the touch of the author that will fill in the fields of content and quality, The pattern resides within the autor, The knower is the known, becomes the knowlegde. Both are the same entity when the author is writing,..there is no subject or object nor som. The entity on itself, yes the totality of all these patterns will allow quality to roll-out itself, in a proces known as creation. Think about Pirsig , take as example when he was entering the topics here, to comment on his work, on that moment in time he will become one with the created again, both will be the same entity.There is no subject or object involved, once "it" flows.
It is not about writing a masterpiece, or a bestseller, quality is about the proces of creation itself, the writing, nothing else. Make no mistake, Dan, you are mastering the secrets of the words, the patterns of value, think about Picasso's suggestion only to use some very well chosen colors. The story about the petrolstation where you worked and your copy of "Zen" stayed behind was of stunning quality. Mint quality,nothing to add, pure and sharp. Could be chapter 1,..think about the chapters only to write 1 at a time. These are only some remarks, i'm still reading on the paper you presented,i will cherish it. Have to do a shitload of other reading to, Some Simon Carmiggelt, (Dutch autor), superb narrator, famous in Europe, very respected here, But he is dead now , the works remain alive, the words don't die, Quality survives everything i guess, it can never leave again. Greetz, Adrie, love the words , man. 2010/10/14 Dan Glover <[email protected]> > Hello everyone > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:49 AM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks for posting that in its entirety, Dan. > > > >> > >> > >> Dan comments: > >> > >> I have never taught writing but Robert Pirsig did. I found it > >> illuminating that he felt the best way to teach writing isn't teaching > >> writing. Rather, pure quality should be taught. I am still not exactly > >> sure what he means by that. Any ideas? > >> > >> > > > > An old phrase jumps to mind - if you want to paint a perfect picture, > just > > become perfect and then paint naturally. I think that captures the > essence > > of the connection between arete and composition. Part of the process is > > trying, seeing mistakes, correcting and trying again. Sorta like the > answer > > given to the young man trying to get directions from the old lady in an > old > > joke: How do I get to Carnegie Hall? Practice, young man. Practice. > > > > Here's the problem though, practice takes time - time spent away from the > > other aspects of life. Time robbed from being good and spent on writing > > means you have to sacrifice the attainment of perfection in order to > write > > about it. A self-defeating proposition then. How do great writers do > it? > > I'd guess that they are geniuses at creating extra time. A constant > > struggle for me, as I now have to quit practicing here, and load up my ma > > and her wheelchair to the hospital for her MRI. More later! > > Hi John > > To my mind, practice entails learning, not teaching, although in a > sense I suppose practice is teaching oneself. But if all it took was > practice to be a good writer, why not just have the student practice, > practice, practice? Isn't that the way most writing courses are > taught? Like I said, I have never taught writing nor have I taken a > wrting class, so I don't really know. Do you? > > I notice most people I associate with in my personal life do not read, > much less write. And even the readers I know don't write. I guess it's > easier to pick up a book and read it rather than sitting down and > writing but I don't pretend to understand. I tend to get aggravated > when people tell me I am lucky to be able to write. Luck has nothing > to do with it. I write because there is something inside of me that > only writing will let out. But for the life of me, I can't begin to > tell you what that something is. > > I am not a great writer. I am not even a good writer, in my opinion. > Still, if I could do anything, it would be to write. Even so, there > are times when all I write is garbage, most times really. And I know > it is garbage. So I stop. No amount of practice is going to make > garbage into anything but trash. There is no sense in forcing it. But > then, one day I will just sit down in front of the computer and start > tap tap tapping on the keys and a story appears. i don't know where > they come from. > > Even great writers tend to write garbage at times though. I've notice > that. I guess they have to earn a living. If a person was to learn > pure quality first, would it keep them from writing garbage? Perhaps. > At least they'd know it was garbage. But they must know that anyway, I > suspect. > > Anyway, thanks for wrting, and wish your mother well. > > Dan > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
