JOHN, quoting the annotations decontextualised
At this point Coleridge is at the same door that Phaedrus was at, but he doesn’t have the key of Quality with him. So he answers: 'Only in the selfconsciousness of a spirit is there the required identity of object and of representation.' What in the world is selfconsciousness of a spirit? But if the spirit is originally the identity of subject and object, it must in some sense dissolve this identity in order to become conscious of itself as object. Ridiculous. Self-consciousness, therefore, cannot arise except through an act of will, How did will get in here? and 'freedom How did freedom get in here? must be assumed as a *ground *of philosophy, and can never be deduced from it'. The spirit becomes a subject knowing itself as object only through 'the act of constructing itself objectively to itself'. ------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Adrie's comment. Here you deliberately "forgot" a piece ,john. The paragraph's end is Mr Pirsig's concluding sentence, you left it out for obvious reasons This is it,The complete paragraphe WITH PIRSIG'S CONCLUDING ENDSENTENCE recontextualised again. Where is this identity to be found? At this point Coleridge is at the same door that Phaedrus was at, but he doesn’t have the key of Quality with him. So he answers: 'Only in the selfconsciousness of a spirit is there the required identity of object and of representation.' What in the world is selfconsciousness of a spirit? But if the spirit is originally the identity of subject and object, it must in some sense dissolve this identity in order to become conscious of itself as object. Ridiculous. Self-consciousness, therefore, cannot arise except through an act of will, How did will get in here? and 'freedom How did freedom get in here? must be assumed as a *ground *of philosophy, and can never be deduced from it'. The spirit becomes a subject knowing itself as object only through 'the act of constructing itself objectively to itself'. This is the sort of nonsense that has inspired logical positivism. " THIS IS THE SORT OF NONSENCE THAT HAS INSPIRED LOGICAL POSITIVISM""Pirsig , Emphasis is mine(Adrie)- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adrie So you are superposing your endparagraph right above this amputated part like in the following...... And John moves on,....with a wiff of importance.. ------------------------------------------------- "Begs, I say... Begs. Choice is fundamental to Philosophy. Heck, Choice is fundamental to Quality! Without choice, there is no such thing as quality. Coleridge got that, But RMP doesn't quite see it. He does at the end though. That's what makes this such an important dialogue, in my view. Pirsig doubles back on himself. He comes to a realization THROUGH an interaction with the text, and he generously allows us to participate with him, in that process that truly transcends the "mere philosophology" as he'd term most of this exercise." --------------------------------------------------------------- Adrie Hate to inform you , John, you just defined yourself as a fraude, you are on a mission to distort and mislead the others ,..... So fruitcake Coleridge got that, But RPM doesn't quite see it? neither does the rest of the group, until now. Forgetting something is one thing , but superpose your drivel over the alleged forgetten part in this way , is fraudulant. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Only one ps remark. quoting John "And I do have them (Coppl. Ann) entirely cut up and in my drafts box, in order, for when I feel like chewing upon a piece or two. I enjoy them quite a bit, but boy I wish Coppleston had done a bit on the great American Philosophical movements of the turn of the century, and Pirsig had commented upon Royce, Pierce and Santayana in the same philosopholgical style which he turned on Bradley, Coleridge and Carlyle." There is a lot of meaty dialogue to be derived stuff like this. It practically begs for a response: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adrie Following Coldridge in distorting reality, as why he was dismissed by Mr Pirsig in the annotations,nice, rewriting history. "Attention" "Attention" "Attention" "here and now boys" -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
