Hello Matt, On Nov 22, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Matt Kundert wrote:
> > Matt said: > You wish to isolate the "ah-ha moment" _as_ ah-ha moment > (ah-ha qua ah-ha, as it were). > > Marsha said: > It will be a false isolation, but yes, I am addressing what I see as an > experience of realization. (Btw, that isolating to theorize is an > example of reification and typical of intellectualizing, imho.) > > Matt: > This exchange occurred a day or two ago, and my first response was > to say that this was an important qualification with "many implications" > (I gestured vaguely). As I've been thinking about the oddity of talking > to Marsha, for whom the notion of "assertion" is itself authoritarian > and anathema, I thought I might put the point by saying that, while > Marsha is right that the notion of assertion is by its very nature > authoritarian and arrogant, to vacate the space of assertion in > philosophical conversation is to turn a _dialogue_ into an _exchange > of monologues_. The proper behavioral consequence that Marsha > has been looking for in excavating the notion of "relativism," I think, is > just this, but I hesitate to say it out loud except in a near-by room > with the door closed for fear of violating the new norm. > > If this seems funny, it is at the same time true of the consequences > of the antiauthoritarian relativism Marsha has been pursuing, and lies > at the heart of what I called a conflict between Marsha's desires--one > to sit in silence, the other to actually talk to other people. I think > Marsha genuinely wants to dialogue with other people, but the mere > hint of authority or assertional dominance pisses her off. I find > Marsha's dialogic style emblematic of the general pattern of > discourse of Pirsigians. Hi Matt, What exactly do you mean by 'antiauthoritarian relativism.' Without explanation those two words seem a mouthful of marbles. I very rarely get pissed off, so I might ask how you've jumped to the conclusion that "assertional dominance" (Whatever that is?) "pisses her off."? The last thing is to tell you I like to intellectualize or I wouldn't be participating in this forum. While I appreciate the limitation of intellectualizing, I enjoy its many benefits. For now I'll let other respond to the rest of your post. Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
