Hi Horse, I understand the significance of what I posted. It is not intended to go against the hierarchical precepts of MOQ. Instead it points to the development of structure as we envision it with the levels. Levels can be seen as a result of a synthesis of the levels below, with a new purpose (if you will). So the biological encompasses the inorganic with the purpose of building a self-replicating entity. As such, the biological cannot dictate the behavior of the inorganic, only make use of it. The static creation of the shapes of life is not a restriction on the dynamic behavior of the inorganic. The equally logical converse would be the restriction on the forms of life due to the dynamic behavior of the inorganic. The bonding behavior of carbon would be such a restriction.
So, I come to the example which you question below. The supposition is that the biological level has a dynamic predisposition towards rape and murder. I do not believe that this is a correct interpretation. If anything, it is the social level that produces such things. The concepts of rape and murder do not exist at the biological level. The social level creates its own static patterns to guide social dynamic behavior. While there is not a clean break between levels, the introduction of a new purpose or paradigm creates the difference. This new reason for being should not be conceptualized as a static restriction. The development of a new level springs from the level below. For example, the social behavior of family. If the primary goal (to use an anthropomorphic concept) of the biological level is to exist through dynamic alteration in response to the environment, then such existence may depend on the building of a house. This house does not restrict the biological behavior, but enhances it. The same could be said for laws against rape and murder. The static is dependent on the dynamic at all times. The same could be said for the social and intellectual levels. In the paradigm of evolution, once the static dominates, the species dies off. As an example, if the Christian doctrine of no premarital sex was strictly followed, eventually non-Christian religions would dominate the world. In the same way, if the intellectual static concept of preventing overpopulation were to be enforced, those populations would eventually be replaced. The restrictions of carbon emissions (another example to promote irrational discussion) will not prevent the societal and biological levels from continuing, they would simply shift development to new places without such static rules. The static has no power over the dynamic. This is the principle of the Tao (to bring in another philosophy). This does not diminish the concept of levels, it provides a slightly different paradigm perhaps. Mark On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mark > > This one caught my eye in your response to Arlo. > > On 02/12/2010 04:31, 118 wrote: > >> [Mark] >> Again I would have to equivocate. But, to provide you with an answer, I >> would say that what is termed a static social pattern should never >> dominate >> a dynamic biological pattern. >> > > > So would you say that it is wrong for a static social pattern, such as a > law, to dominate certain biological patterns? > F.ex. Laws against rape and murder (and let's not forget pillage and > plunder - always favourites in the old days!). > These laws (social patterns) are quite static, going back centuries, but > the acts they are designed to prevent are dynamic biological acts, in the > sense that I believe you are using the term. > > > Horse > > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > — Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
