This John, is why I don't bother much with following MD threads ... I inject a rational, balanced comment, (ignored) and the protagonists continue with their slanging matches from extremist positions. People on the whole prefer to fight than to actively find ground worth agreeing on. Sod-all to do with philosophical dialogue.
Don't know why I do bother. Pass me the cup, Socrates. Ian On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:27 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > Hmmm, no. But I have at least held jobs. Sure beats doing what you > are doing. Who is supporting you now? I can't believe that someone > who has never held a real job is taking a position here. Go get your > next handout, dude. > > You sir, are a good example of the problem with the world today > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:10 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Got fired for your crackpot ideas, didn't you? And you take that to mean >> that the whole world is wrong and you're right. Huh? >> Like I said, the immune system is there for a reason. You sir, are exhibit >> "A" in the case for strict academic standards. >> >>> >>> Hi dmb, >>> >>> Are you kidding me? How many academic professionals do you know? You >>> are operating in a dream world, dmb. I don't even feel like setting you >>> straight. I suppose if you agree with the way academics is going, then you >>> are part of the problem. Do you think continuing tenure is based on >>> intellectual qualities? Perhaps you spent too much time in the ivory >>> tower. Maybe you want to become a professor. Well, if you can't do, then >>> you teach, so it may be appropriate. Get out now and again, it might do you >>> good. Please don't insult us with your naivete. It makes this forum >>> look ridiculous. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:38 PM, david buchanan >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > John said: >>> > ...I'm certainly not a fan of any kind of "anything goes" mentality which >>> > throws open the doors to any nutjob with a holy book and an agenda. ...But >>> > the wholesale adoption of a values-free worldview, and the almost >>> > police-state-like imposition of this worldview has crippled true >>> > intellectual debate and growth oughta be checked somehow. >>> > >>> > dmb says: >>> > Police state-like imposition of a values-free worldview? That doesn't >>> > sound >>> > like a fair criticism of academia. It sounds more like a paranoid >>> > conspiracy >>> > theory. In the real world, I think it would be hard to find an academic >>> > professional who did not rate academic freedom as one the their most >>> > cherished ideals. The ability to think independently, critically and >>> > creatively are the things that earn respect in that that world. To the >>> > extent that intellectuals get famous or earn a good reputation, it's based >>> > on intellectual qualities. And what's wrong with that? Why shouldn't we >>> > value good thinking and good ideas? If there is a better way to do it, >>> > nobody has thought of it yet. But you can bet your bottom dollar that >>> > there >>> > is a small tribe of scholars working on that question too. >>> > >>> > Police state, my ass. Try to find any institution that's more open to new >>> > ideas or more concerned with intellectual freedom. I honestly can't think >>> > of >>> > one single example. Can you? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> > Archives: >>> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> > http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
