On Dec 13, 2010, at 7:48 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > >>>> >>>> Hi Tim, >>>> >>>> My position keeps going poof. >>>> >>>> I can adopt a hypothetical, unique, proprietary self for the sake of >>>> Ham's Essence Metaphysics, but it does not hold together on >>>> investigation. Look, I am a static girl living in a static world; don't >>>> see that there's a way around it. That's the way the world has >>>> evolved to function. But upon investigation it all collapses. Time, >>>> space and self dissolve, and it is analogy/patterns all the way >>>> down. Even the Buddhists postulate a continuity of individual >>>> consciousness on which is built karma, reincarnation and etc., but >>>> it all seems to be built on assumptions. It might be that I have not >>>> developed the skills to experience an unbroken continuity, so the >>>> best I can accept is Quality(unpatterned/patterned). This is not a >>>> denigration of static quality which always seem to have a >>>> wondrous existence. >>>> >>>> Yes the collection of patterns could seem "unique," but based on >>>> what other than assumption? Sooo, I don't know... >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>> >>> [Tim] >>> This was really nice. Again, thanks. >>> >>> I don't know how much you were looking for a real answer to this >>> question about 'unique' and 'assumption', so I'll just say that I this >>> is why I have (and I think this is why John has too) come to >>> re-institute a word like faithe into my vocabulary. Let me know if you >>> want more here. >> >> Marsha: >> I am reconsidering the terms 'faith' and 'spiritual' in terms of heart. >> > > [Tim] > 'faithe' for me is the verb which I have recently adopted, for now, to > describe the ineffible mystical process of living through the utter > present of DQ.
Marsha: Okay. >>> >>> >>> [Tim] >>> But, I think that I have picked up on a pattern, not to say that it is >>> strict or anything, but I think you enjoy short responses aiming at one >>> highest quality point. Therefore, my question here: you like that >>> '[your] position keeps going poof', don't you!? >> >> [Marsha] I don't like or dislike my position, > > [Tim] > Don't you think you should be permitted to like it, even if you should > flip-flop on an issue? Marsha: I have never considered if I should be permitted to like or dislike this position. I don't see it as an issue. Thoughts are like the breath, they come, they go; where are they? Have I flip-flopped on an issue? > What good is the heart then? Marsha: I'm not sure how the heart should be related? I did write that I was reconsidering the term. >> [Marsha] but recognize that static knowledge is relative, all interconnected >> and co-dependent. Meditation gives one some special insight into the >> nature of all the thoughts we hold so important. They go poof. That >> understanding seems to leave room for one's heart to participate, but >> is that always good? > > [Tim] > whether they stay firm, or whether they go poof, if their staying or > going is of Quality I think you should be able to like them. And even > when you don't like it, or even when you don't like or dislike it, it > seems you should be able to like that, at least. Marsha: If I become involved in personally judging the thoughts good or bad, I am no longer involved in watching them come and go. They come, they go. >> [Marsha] I'm a student, a novice, and still have too many >> questions. > > [Tim] > student and too many questions I buy. And that seems good and healthy. > Novice seems like false humility :) Marsha: novice... > [Tim] > --- it was the intellectual rigor > with which you held to the position of pure process that led to my > disappointment with your lack of a response recently. Marsha: My lack of response was caused by not recognizing anything familiar to comment about. It was like all of a sudden you were talking about the color blue. I had no response that seemed meaningful. > [Tim] > I can't > comprehend that degree of poof-iness (and if you knew the poof-iness I > understand this would be something: I know the cutest cat I've ever > known, not mine :(, but there is much ado about her poof!). Anyway, if > firmness of my fundament(s) - something-is and I am - ever become a > problem, I will have an example of poofiness to help me, thanks! Marsha: Okay, you are uncomfortable with the word 'poof'. I meant like the disappearance of a rabbit from a magician's top hat. I didn't mean it as a threat to your manliness. I forgot that you are a man and might like your language a little more ballsy. ;-) ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
