On Dec 14, 2010, at 4:02 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Marsh, > greetings, > >> Marsha: >> The process seems quite passive, but I usually feel better after having >> meditated. > > [Tim] > Fine. > > (not as in 'okay, I guess; let's see', but as in 'this is as fine a way > of putting is it as ... --- that is, what room do you leave for the > 'novice' if you too are a 'novice'? ;) )
Marsha: I don't find meditation that easy, but then I meditate to see how the mind works. Too often the thoughts take me away from awareness, but it is training, and I am getting better. It takes me but a second these days to recognize my attachment was to ego. No sense in making a big deal out of it. It's more important that I get back to being aware of the process. >> Marsha: >> You wrote a long post, and I read through it all, but it seemed to take >> flight >> on its own. These are individual journeys to understanding, and I judged >> it >> best just to let it fly. I certainly meant no harm or disrespect. > > [Tim] > in reverse: > > first: at the time, I thought you were blowing me off - and since you > had asked the question - and I had just gotten into it - I was miffed. > Now, well it has been many days or a week since I looked back at my long > response, but I remember it having many different trains within it, and > it didn't hang together very well - anyway, it took a reprieve in order > for me to look at your decision more fairly. If I was leaning towards > you then, I am in your camp now; I need no more convincing on: '...and I > judged it best just to let it fly. I certainly meant no harm or > disrespect'. Rather, it is I who disrespected you, so again, I'm sorry. Marsha: I took no disrespect. My social skills are not always great. That seems a good indication that I am very much a novice. And I take it that if this has come to a good conclusion it has been because of your effort. > Next: "These are individual journeys to understanding," ... hmmm ... I > am at a loss for how to proceed exactly ... I must though ... to start > playing with this, what happens if I move the 's': these are [this is] > individuals' journey to understanding? ehhhh, I don't like this too > much, just a playful toying attempt. But about your original, It just > seems to be missing the kick, that while every individual has her own > journey, we are all journeying together, intertwined as it were. I > don't know how to fix the language so as to pay respect to that kick. > ... hm! maybe: "This is individuals' journeys to understanding, ..." I > kinda like this. I think I'll sleep on it. What do you think though? Marsha: Yes, we hopefully help and benefit from sharing ideas, yet some knowledge must be understood from direct experience outside the boundary of words. I suppose if such an experience changes us, then it is still experience to share even wordlessly. So yes, we are about individuals journeying. > last: "You wrote a long post, and I read through it all, ..." - I didn't > doubt that. In fact, I think this is what stung. Had you ignored it > completely, I could have thought, 'whatever'. But it was in considering > this, that had you ignored it, I would not have felt disrespected; but > that it was because you did me the courtesy of not ignoring, and the > courtesy of letting me know that I should not be waiting for a response, > that I felt disrespected: that seemed very unfair, and backwards of what > I would want to encourage. Anyway, it took a short bit, but I think it > worked out 'fine'. If you have fully forgiven my overreaction and my > disrespecting you, then I think I can have solid confidence in that > assessment. Marsha: There is nothing to forgive, and only gratitude for your effort. > ... > > I just went back and looked over the 'Next' section. (A minor edit or > two to true up the sense and timing): > > This is individuals' journeys to understanding AND ... > > I'm already taking a real shine to this! Thanks!!! > > Tim > -- Thank you. Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
