Hi Horse, I know very little knowledge of multi-dimensional math constructs. You'd be better able to identify their severed co-dependencies better than I. At the very least they must be dependent on a consciousness to construct them.
You haven't answered my first question: Do you have some letter or post on RMP's opinion on reification? Marsha On Dec 31, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Horse wrote: > On 29/12/2010 07:16, MarshaV wrote: >> <SNIP> >> My interpretation of the Intellectual Level is based on reification. The >> fourth level is comprised of static patterns of value such as theology, >> mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these patterns function is >> as reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and >> manipulation. Reification decontextualizes. Intellectual patterns process >> from a subject/object conceptual framework creating false boundaries that >> give the illusion of independence as a “thing” or an “object of analysis.” >> The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the >> paramount demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free from >> the taint of any subjectivity like emotions, inclinations, fears and >> compulsions in order to pursue, study and research in an unbiased and >> rational manner. >> >> >>> The whole point about your reification idea is that it is a fallacy! >>> That's why it's referred to as 'The Reification Fallacy' - there's a clue >>> there that it might be a fallacy! >> <SNIP>. >> >>> But if you want to stick to your misinterpretation of reification then >>> please answer these questions which I have asked you before but you refused >>> to answer. >>> We'll start off with these: >>> Tell me how zero is reified >>> Tell me how the square root of -1 is reified >>> Tell me how a hypercube is reified >>> Tell me how multi-dimensional mathematical concepts in a 3 dimensional >>> world are reified >> Marsha: >> I am not going through each item, but instead will state that when these >> elements are separated from processes on which they are co-dependent and >> presented as independent entities they have become reified. Reification is >> a condition that separates self from other, and apprehends phenomena as >> being independently existent. > > So in other words you can't answer some very simple questions about a subject > which you have spent a great deal of time talking about. And the reason for > that is that all you have done is, basically, wave your arms about a lot and > make general and vague statements. If your idea of reification has any > substance at all then the above questions should be simplicity itself to > answer. Instead you attempt to duck any questions which may put your ideas to > the test, opting instead for more waffling and arm-waving. > > >>> These are specific examples, not generalizations, of questions that need to >>> be answered if your idea is correct and reification is, indeed, not a >>> fallacy. >> Marsha: >> You are asking me to disprove a negative. I have intention of defending >> such a position. Reification is no more fallacious in its relationship >> with static patterns of value than it is with the Buddhist concept of >> conventional truth. It represents the conventional way of thinking. >> > > Then stop accusing me of things I haven't done (disprove a negative) and try > and provide answers to the questions I have asked. As far as I can see it is > not possible to reify the concepts of Zero, Sq Rt -1, Hypercube, > Multi-dimensional math constructs. And yet you say that all concepts are S/O > and reifications. So please explain to me, and anyone else interested - I'll > bet there's a few - how these concepts are reified. > These aren't trick questions or some plot to undermine whatever it is you > think I may be doing - I would just like straightforward answers to > straightforward questions. > Are you able to do this? Or will you continue to avoid answering my questions > - questions that I have been asking for some time and which have always been > met with the same refusal to answer. > > > Horse > > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > — Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
