The Universe is ... Good?
False. For what sort of values can extrinsically stand above and outside of a Universe, be used to judge a Universe? Big? Again false. Compared to what? Old? Same answer. There is no timeline outside of the Universe which measures the age of the universe. The Space-Time Continuum is the only source of time and space. There is no pronouncement about the Quality of the Cosmos that can be valid, because the meaning of a Cosmos implies everything - the whole enchilada - including all such questions about relative age, relative size and relative goodness. [Craig] So we have after substituting: 1) any sufficiently powerful consistent intellectual static value pattern cannot prove it's own completeness. 2) And if a system is incomplete, there are acts in the system whose moral value cannot be determined to be "good" or "evil" from within the system. 3) :. any sufficiently powerful consistent intellectual static value pattern cannot prove that there are not acts in the system whose moral value cannot be determined to be "good" or "evil" from within the system. [John] 1) The meaning of "the Universe" is by definition, "completeness" - what I mean by "the whole enchilada" - everything. 2) The inability to *prove* completeness, does not in itself prove * incompleteness*. 3) The only proof of truth or falsity (goodness or badness) comes from within the system. However the only judgment of truth or falsity of the system as a whole can come from outside the system. 4) :. No person in the Universe, can prove whether the Universe is Good or not Good. I think that's where Ham and I started our recent dialogue. Thus I conclude that the Universe is Good, but I can't prove it. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
