He he, Arlo

It was plural of course "noms de plume"

Let's see how many more mistakes we can all make ;-)
Ian
PS it feels like Friday afternoon this side of the pond. Have a good
weekend all.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:55 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nom de plume
>
>
>
> 2011/4/1 MarshaV <[email protected]>
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>>
>> On Apr 1, 2011, at 4:34 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>
>> > OK Marsha, so ...
>> >
>> > Since sq clearly is other than DQ, we have a problem.
>> > The problem is the word "is".
>>
>> i do not think the word 'is' is the problem.  Seems to me it has more to do
>> with
>> the language.  The non-affirming negative was a tough one for me, but now
>> seems the best way to state it.
>>
>>
>> > All current patterns of sq probably started (evolutionary) life in DQ at
>> source.
>> > And in some sense the static patterns are patterns in otherwise more
>> > or less dynamic patterns, otherwise we wouldn't recognise them as
>> > static patterns.
>>
>> Sq dose not exist as other than DQ.  Trying to rectify our paradoxical
>> language
>> is not pointing in the correct direction.  imho
>>
>>
>> > Most of the undergrowth and leaf-mould in your forest of trees may
>> > eventually end up in trees, but at any moment in time as a forrester
>> > it's worth knowing your trees from your undergrowth. So.
>>
>> It's all analogy.
>>
>>
>> > I might say DQ is the source of all sq perhaps ? (about becoming
>> > rather than being, unsurprisingly, given the words dynamic and
>> > static). But for me this semantic debate is really a pragmatic
>> > question, of what you want to would do with your statement ? Apart
>> > from annoy people who don't see the world the way you do ;-)
>>
>> I do not recognize sq as 'being.'   I disagree that it is a semantic debate
>> on my part.  It represents how I understand/ experience the world.  It is
>> how the MoQ has evolve for me.  -  And the annoyance of other people
>> is their pattern.  I get annoyed with cowardly nons de plume.  Life is
>> sometimes tough that way.
>>
>>
>> > Like, assuming it is any value to talk about DQ and sq, the primary
>> > division in MoQ, it is valuable to distinguish between them (as Pirsig
>> > did). How could we do otherwise, and where's the value ?
>>
>> I agree with you that there is value.  It has been valuable to my
>> understanding.  But to be told that I CANNOT state 'sq is not other
>> than DQ' is retarding experience.
>>
>>
>> Marsha
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>>
>> >
>> > Ian
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:01 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Re:  sq is not other than DQ
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I'm no genius, but I understand this statement as a non-affirming
>> negative.  It is inclusive.
>> >>
>> >> The statement 'a forest is trees' allows for one to say:  Yes, and it is
>> undergrowth, animals and insects too.  Where if you state that 'a forest is
>> not other than trees' there is no allowance in the statement to point to
>> other additional possibilities.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So my statement is:   sq is not other than DQ.  -  The fundamental
>> nature of sq is DQ.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The statement precisely represents my understanding.
>> >>
>> >>
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