Hi David, What's wrong with reductionism ? It has diminishing value. Ever more precisely defined objects in smaller and smaller contexts, which lose sight of the fact that the patterns and unpatterned whole are more valuable than those well defined objects.
(Incidentally whilst I don't subscribe to Ham's essentialism, I effectively agreed with him there in that I had already said DQ could be seen as a term for the undefined - or the unpatterned - to answer your specific additional question. So, no DQ, is not a pattern.) Can I "define" my answers ? Yes I could, but no I can't. An answer is what is given when you ask a question. That's a definition, but not much use I suspect. Why the fixation with definition ? I'm losing the will to take your further questioning seriously, since you obviously know the answers to your own questions - so I need to know where you're headed with this. What's the point - where's the value ? Ian On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM, David Harding <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ian, > >> Pirsig spends a long time on Art / Rta / Crafts etc ... so you can't >> reduce it to a single either or. There is no "it". That would be >> reductionist. > > What is wrong with reductionism? > >> Is art DQ or isn't it ? (As I said already, art is full of both kinds >> of patterns - but the essential experience that distinguish the >> artistic from non-artistic is clearly DQ.) > > Is Dynamic Quality a pattern? > >> "dynamic" is clearly not the same as "Dynamic Quality" - one is >> natural language one is an undefined split in some undefinable >> metaphysical monad - sq is the defined part. I'm not the one trying to >> define the undefinable. >> >> I live the undefinable. >> Ian > > Okay. But can you please define your answers to the above two questions of > mine? :-) > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
