Hi Andre,

I like the idea of working together to develop a response to Harris.
Here's an offering for the first 3 questions.  Maybe this can be
worked in with yours or maybe others will have more changes.

Q: Are there right and wrong answers to moral questions?

Harris: Morality must relate, at some level, to the well-being of
conscious creatures. If there are more and less effective ways for us
to seek happiness and to avoid misery in this world—and there clearly
are—then there are right and wrong answers to questions of morality.

Mary: The Metaphysics of Quality (MoQ) as developed by Robert M.
Pirsig in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry into
Values and Lila: An Inquiry into Morals has much to say on this
subject.  Pirsig explains that there are indeed right and wrong
answers to moral questions, and that these answers are accessible to
everyone.  Along with Harris, Pirsig sees that this question cannot
and should not be relegated solely to the realm of religion, but, in
contrast, Pirsig clearly illustrates that it should not be relegated
to the realm of science either.  In Pirsig’s metaphysics, there is an
alternative perspective upon which to evaluate morality - one based on
a perception of reality as itself a moral order rather than the
dichotomy of subjects and objects as now viewed by science.

Q: Are you saying that science can answer such questions?

Harris: Yes, in principle. Human well-being is not a random
phenomenon. It depends on many factors—ranging from genetics and
neurobiology to sociology and economics. But, clearly, there are
scientific truths to be known about how we can flourish in this world.
Wherever we can act so as to have an impact on the well-being of
others, questions of morality apply.

Mary: Pirsig agrees with Harris that human well-being is not a random
phenomenon and that questions of morality apply, but where Harris
asserts that science alone is enough to understand happiness and
well-being, Pirsig counters that there is a fundamental flaw to the
basic assumptions of both science and religion that preclude the
success of either at solving the most basic problems of the human
condition.  It is the Achilles heel of both science and religion that
Pirsig explores.  If it is understood that religion has brought us no
closer to definitively resolving moral issues, it must also be
understood that science too offers no panacea.  Addressing the most
profound moral questions of humanity requires a perspective more
comprehensive than that offered by science or religion.

Q: But can’t moral claims be in conflict? Aren’t there many situations
in which one person’s happiness means another’s suffering?

Harris: There as some circumstances like this, and we call these
contests zero-sum.  Generally speaking, however, the most important
moral occasions are not like this. If we could eliminate war, nuclear
proliferation, malaria, chronic hunger, child abuse, etc.—these
changes would be good, on balance, for everyone. There are surely
neurobiological, psychological, and sociological reasons why this is
so—which is to say that science could potentially tell us exactly why
a phenomenon like child abuse diminishes human well-being.
But we don’t have to wait for science to do this. We already have very
good reasons to believe that mistreating children is bad for everyone.
I think it is important for us to admit that this is not a claim about
our personal preferences, or merely something our culture has
conditioned us to believe. It is a claim about the architecture of our
minds and the social architecture of our world. Moral truths of this
kind must find their place in any scientific understanding of human
experience.

Mary: The Metaphysics of Quality says that before we can grasp the
universality of morals we need to rethink our concept of reality.  The
conventional way we perceive the world is as subjects and objects.
You are the subject looking out onto a world of external objects that
are separate and eternally distinct from yourself.  This is known as
subject-object metaphysics, or “SOM” for short.  This view of reality
has a long and distinguished history for us in the West, extending
back through Kant and Descartes all the way to Aristotle.  It is a
view of reality that has served us well, for it has enabled the
emergence of science and the scientific method; a clear triumph of
logic over the magical religious thinking of the past.  We owe much of
our present-day advancement to a belief in this basic subject-object
duality, and it works.  However, this world-view leaves no definitive
place for morals.   In a world that honors science morality is seen as
an opinion, a frill; an area of thought that cannot be scientifically
proven or disproven.  Morality is seen as either a preference, a habit
of mind, or a set of values absorbed along with whatever belief system
one was raised with; and, since belief systems vary so widely, there
is no fundamental right and wrong other than what each individual
chooses to accept.  A subject-object world view gives morality little
status and no “moral authority” (pardon the pun).

The Metaphysics of Quality explains that this kind of thinking is its
own sort of trap.  It is as fraught with misconceptions as the
earliest pantheism was in its own day, and to cling to a belief in a
fundamental subject-object division of the world is to limit our
thinking to all other possibilities and discount morals as a primary
force in the universe.  In particular, a subject-object belief system
can block us from being able to address moral questions with clarity,
since a major part of any subject-object system presupposes that
concepts like values, quality, and morals are inherently separate and
divorced from material reality.  This is unfortunate since it prevents
us from seeking any solutions other than those that can be understood
in scientific subject-object terms.  In short, we are handicapped by
our own modern thinking without even knowing it.

Yes, moral claims can appear to be in conflict, but only when viewed
through a subject-object lens.  If you believe yourself to be separate
and distinct from everything else, you may be unable to explain why
Democracy is more moral than despotism or why what is immoral for one
person is equally immoral for yourself.  In a SOM world, you have no
logical basis for the authority of either of these statements.


Best,
Mary

> On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Andre Broersen
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Graig to Andre:
>>
>> Nice general explication of the MoQ.  Of course, "the devil is in the
>> details".
>>
>> Andre:
>> Thank you Craig, and agreed, the devil is in the details. I am not
>> philosophically 'grounded' but try to apply Pirsig's insights to my own
>> experience and the art of everyday living. I have also attempted to do this
>> so I can go into discussions with family, friends and colleagues to suggest
>> the perspective from a 'Quality-centered map of the universe' which
>> 'provides overwhelming clarity of explanation where all has bee fog before'.
>> (LILA,p 109)
>>
>> The difficulty I keep on coming up against in these discussions is the
>> fundamental one which, Pirsig recognized at the start of Chapter 8: 'The
>> idea that the world is composed of nothing but moral value sounds impossible
>> at first'.
>>
>> I would welcome, in fact, I'd be very happy, if someone brought some of
>> these 'details' into this discussion as criticism and hopefully,
>> constructive criticism to build on together...in an effort to spread this
>> perspective persuasively and convincingly.
>>
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