Hi All, It is interesting to see if anything new can be fathomed about this age old argument within the rubric of MoQ.
But first, some of my thoughts on the subject. Beginning with Determined Will. It is not hard to see that this is an oxymoron if one understands what Will is. Yet, the term persists. Let us say that we are determined to believe in Free Will. This also implies that it is determined that we be determined to believe in Free Will. And such determination is also determined, and so forth. Thus all is determined from the beginning of time till the end of time. This would mean that the original idea sets forth a determined progression. Even more than that, this idea is fixed forever. An analogy of this would be like us walking through a house that was built at the beginning, and all the new rooms within it have always existed, nothing new is created. This is similar to fundamental monism, where the original idea is all that is. This should not be confused with basic Christianity, which is dualism (Man and God). Now, let us say that we are free to believe in Determined Will. How is this different? Well, to begin with, it is very different. For example it implies that there are two separate entities (dualism), which, if elaborated, is similar to pantheism, or pluralism (as William James uses it). In this case, at least two entities operate independently. For example, a man who builds a house, which he was asked to build according to his own design. It is determined that he build a house, but the shape becomes determined after that request. We do not determine that we live, but perhaps we can determine how we live. So now on to a third option. We can see that Determined Will and Free Will are both adjectively modified forms of the same thing. That thing is of course Will. So will can be either one or the other if we only have two choices. What if we remove both adjectives and speak of Will? Are we then left with a third option? This is where MoQ takes us, as suggested in a different way by Horse recently. To understand this, we must fully understand what is meant by Will. Over the years I have presented this, often calling it Intent. I have had many fruitful discussion with members of this forum on this subject. Will is all we are when we are born. We are born as Will. Then comes our incorporation into this World, both from the personal side, and the outside (dualism or mind/body). This interaction develops our Will into what it is from day to day. When we die, all that is lost is Will. In this way, the adjectives Determined and Free are irrelevant. They impart no meaning to Will. We could just as easily speak of Yellow Will or Fast Will and make as much sense. Cheers, Mark Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
