I agree, Mark. Quality as Will makes sense to me. As does, Will as "the ability to choose" or "freedom". Which I also equate with Quality. Thus "Free Will" is a sort of redundancy, as I think Steve's arguments point out. However, a rhetorical redundancy does not obviate the metaphysical fundamentalness of freedom to will and being.
It's all just words, words words. some are good words, which lead to a good life, and some just don't go anywhere at all. Robert Pirsig's words are a good example of the former, and Sam Harris's are a good example of the latter. Take care, John the sporadic and yet interested On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:21 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > It is clear that there are many ways to define Quality, but no way to > describe it. That is, that there is no way to wrap Quality up with > words. The problem with good wrapping, is that it hides what is being > wrapped. And, once wrapped, it is difficult to unwrap without > extensive personal training by the wrapper. The same can be said for > encoding secret messages. > > As a definition amongst many, one can equate Quality with Will. Both > are active nouns, and both imply direction. The quality of things > denotes their appearance. This a world of appearances which means it > is a world of Quality. Will is also expression. Both do not require > for there to be something that is expressed, they arise without cause. > > For clarification, I will present what I mean by Will. Human will is > a primary feature of our being. It is what delivers our > consciousness. It provides drive, resolve, and intent. It creates > direction for each of us, and gives us the propensity to change > direction. It lies outside of determinism, and is often termed > "Free". It gives us the capacity to live outside the boundaries of > determined direction. Besides humans, all things have Will. A river > may express it as a rushing through a valley. A metal may display a > resolve to remain together and not scatter freely. Predators display > a will to catch, and preys are equally willful in escaping. The sun > attempts to pull the planets into itself, and the planets are just as > willful in remaining free, thus resulting in an long game until one > wins. So, that is how I am using will. It is not obstinance, > wishful-thinking, or a promise made. > > The Will to Survive, or the Will to Die are two ends of the same > thing, that is Will. Therefore, Will and Quality are two words for > the same thing. Anything with Will is also with Quality. Anything > with Quality, denotes Will. > > In Chapter 28, Phaedrus is reading about Greek excellence and is > fascinated by "duty to self", this can also be construed as Will. He > goes on to realize that Quality was present before anything. We are > born as Will, there is nothing else, just pure Will. This then begins > to change from the first minute after birth. Where was it before > that? Or as the Buddhist would say, "What did your face look like > before you were born?" > > And, so, I have come to the end of my exposition. Any comments? > > Cheers, > Mark > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
